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§ 199 Responses to Israeli Palestinian Conflict

  • Liz H. says:

    This whole site is propagandized BS and it is apparent to almost everyone who visits this site. Additionally, the audacity it takes to name a website “Palestine FACTS” in such a context is atrocious. I am not of the Jewish faith, nor am I Palestinian/an Arab speaker. Yes you may be assured that I am no anti-semite (referring to its ORIGINAL root meaning, “semite” meaning Jew or Arab) I am merely just another unbiased observer that has taken the time to read through flawed rhetoric– a tool that, unfortunately, has been used to ruin lives for the past several decades. Though you probably will not publish this comment (why would you? it would be out of keeping with the new anti-boycott law mentality) I know it will be read. Therefore, as long as those that publish sites such as these are forced to reflect on how their actions may resemble those of a Motzi Sheim Ra, I am satisfied.

    • Michael says:

      Liz,

      I totally agree with you. What a crock to call this website PALESTINE FACTS! I’d like to know who is behind this website! Strangely enough, you don’t see any names on this website, except on a photograph. I am almost certain that this website has been put up by jewish individuals with a slanted view of reality! What a shame that historical distortions continue to drive a wedge between peoples of the world and the cause of peace and justice! Of all people, you would think that persecuted jewish people would be the most just and sympathetic in dealing with other persecuted people!

      I just watched an Al Jazeera documentary (Witness: The Land Speaks Arabic) with interviews about the atrocities commited by the Hagana in the 30s and 40s in Palestine and how so many poor Palestinians were killed (including pregnant women) and tens of their villages were taken by force. There were eyewitness accounts of the brutal kilings of their Palestinian friends and families! They talked of merciless shootings of hundreds of peole at random! I saw newspaper headlines of the time, confirming these facts, including the bombing of the King David Hotel, train derailments, explosions and many other terrorist acts which were terrorist acts of the Hagana, designed to destabilize Palestine and send the poor, unarmed villagers and city dwellers running for their lives. Menachem Begin was one of the terrorists wanted for these crimes along with many others. I couldn’t believe my eyes! Menachem Begin, a wanted terrorist, who later became the prime minister of Israel? How could such a thing happen?

      Thankfully most Israeli citizens are in favor of peace and a Palestinian state. Now if we could get rid of distortions like this website or any similar website, be they pro-Israel or pro-Palestine, the world would stand a better chance of finally seeing peace in the Middle East.

      What audacity! PALESTINE FACTS!!!!

    • Michael says:

      I totally agree wtih you Liz. What audacity! PALESTINE FACTS!!!! I suspect this website has been put up by certain jewish people with an agenda, disguised as “impartial providers of facts.” All you need to do is to watch the Al Jazeera documentary called “Witnes: The Land Speaks Arabic.” It talks about the many terrorits acts of the Hagana, merciless killings (including pregnant women), bombings and terror to create instability in Palestine and taking over many tens of villages.

      The bombing of the King David Hotel in Palestine by Menachem Begin (who in those days was a wanted terrorist!!) and others…..

      PALESTINE DISTORTIONS is more like it!

    • Joe from Boston says:

      I disagree with Liz H (as does the historical record, which neither she nor i can make up at this late date).

      UN Resolution 181 was passed by the General Assembly of the United Nations on November 29, 1947 with 33 votes in favor, 13 against, 10 abstentions and one nation absent.
      One of the provisions of Resolution 181 reads in relevant part:
      Independent Arab and Jewish States and the Special International Regime for the City of Jerusalem, set forth in Part III of this Plan, shall come into existence in Palestine two months after the evacuation of the armed forces of the mandatory Power has been completed but in any case not later than 1 October 1948.

      So way back in 1947, the Arabs had the UN approval for a state, which they REJECTED. Now they want a “do-over,” mulligan, second chance, etc.

      Let’s look at some other historical events, which anyone can read about in old newspapers.

      The population of Palestine was divided on accepting Resolution 181. The Jewish Palestinians accepted the Resolution. The Arab Palestinians were of two minds; some stayed in place as if nothing was happening, and some responded to the entreaties of the surrounding Arab countries to evacuate, so that a war could be fought and won against the Jews, and then the Arab Palestinians could return.
      Although all of the surrounding Arab countries including Lebanon, Syria, Jordan, and Egypt attacked Israel (as did several other Arab countries), the Israelis were not defeated.

      In the Fall of 1956, Great Britain and France became angry when Egypt nationalized the Suez Canal. In the 1956 war, Great Britain, France and Israel all fought against Egypt. Although Israel captured the Sinai Peninsula, it agreed to return that captured territory to Egypt.

      In June 1967, in response to the Egyptian blockade of the port of Eilat, Israel fought the Six Day War with Egypt. Jordan was warned to stay out of the fight, but elected to participate anyway, as did Syria. Israel won territory on all fronts. Israel again handed the Sinai Peninsula back to Egypt.

      In 1973, several Arab states began a surprise attack on Israel on Yom Kippur. After several weeks, Israel again prevailed, and again turned captured territory back to Egypt.

      How many other military victors have turned territory back to the vanquished? If you pick a fight and you lose, generally that is your tough luck, and you should take responsibility for your actions.

      And how do you negotiate with someone who wants nothingmore than to kill you? Do you think the US could have negotiated with Osama bin Laden?

      So please tell me what the “crock” is, when this web site reports events that did occur, other than your OBVIOUS BIAS.

    • Stosh says:

      Liz, the term “anti-Semite” was coined in the late 19th century by German philosophers and writers to describe those people who hated Jews. The term has nothing to do with Arabs, in spite of the fact that they are also Semites.

    • Robert M. Siegfried says:

      From your comment about not being an “antisemite in the original meaning of the term”, does this mean that you are following the part line of Arab anti-Zionists who use this semantic argument to cover their Jew-hatred?

      One fact remains – Jews living today are of Semitic, middle eastern descent and historically come from the area of mandatory Palestine. The bulk of Israel’s Jews are of more immediately Middle Eastern descent, i.e., Yemenite, Syrian, Moroccan, Tunisian, Persian, Libyan, Egyptian, Iraqi, etc. Population exchanges have happened before and led to stable homelands. But in this case, the desire to keep Palestinian victimhood alive, they are denied citizenship in every Moslem country except Jordan, kept in refugee camps and even when they are permanently settled in other countries (such as the US), their status are refugees is maintained by the UN.

    • Rebekah says:

      Are you people who disagree by any chance in or have been in college between the year 2000 up to now and taking history as a major or just as a general class because if not please don’t talk about things you know nothing about because people use this for research whether right or wrong and your confusing them and me.

    • Liz, how are you unbiased? This site provides factual information on the Arab-Israeli conflict. Liz, you clearly are another one of these anti-Israel propagandists, which is being anti-Semitic in nature. Let’s refute some of your claims.

      “Yes you may be assured that I am no anti-semite (referring to its ORIGINAL root meaning, “semite” meaning Jew or Arab)”

      That argument has been used as a cover by anti-Semites. While Semites include Jews, Arabs, and other peoples, any dictionary definition will tell you that anti-Semitism means being against Jews for being Jews.

      “I am not of the Jewish faith, nor am I Palestinian/an Arab speaker.”

      Who cares what your ethnicity or nationality is [there is no such thing as a "Palestinian" people; but that's another area of discussion]? Not everyone, who hates Israel has to be Arab or Muslim. In fact, there are self-hating Jews, who hate Israel as well.

      “Though you probably will not publish this comment (why would you? it would be out of keeping with the new anti-boycott law mentality) I know it will be read. Therefore, as long as those that publish sites such as these are forced to reflect on how their actions may resemble those of a Motzi Sheim Ra, I am satisfied.”

      So you support boycotting Israel? Wow, that’s really unbiased [lol]!!! You’re the one spreading Motzi Sheim Ra. You claim to be unbiased while you reveal that you support boycotting Israel. And you think that being neither Arab nor Jewish makes you unbiased. That’s hilarious. This website has come out with factual analysis and is a great counterbalance to the anti-Israel propaganda.

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  • Wakefield says:

    Just to play Devil’s Advocate:

    Among the issues brought up, first of all the Balfour Declaration was repudiated, and in the first place was never intended to go being the mere settlement issue—not full blown nation-state as we see in Israel today. Next, even IF it had, the author points out that you can’t just muscle in on an area by the corrupt desires of the Brit Empire (what right did they have to the area that they could make deals) and the other problem was that they had PREVIOUSLY promised the whole region to the Arabs. As far as history, and race, and the issues surrounding who was where first, this argument is said to be tedious and hare-brained due to multiple problems:

    First, just because your ancestors were there at some distant point in the past does not mean you can dig your heels in later on what someone has settled later. I am part Brit. Neither I nor my family have any territorial “recall” rights to Brit territory, nor any of Her Majesty’s remaining dominions. We would not like it if a group of Catawba Indians, who previously lives in what is now South Carolina, declared that “behold, we hold this sacred land for all Catawba”, and (like Palestine) the rest of us get kicked out and must flee by international decree to Florida or Georgia, due to some rather questionable—at best—authority due an edict from the UN.

    Again, Britain aquired this region via conquest in the fallout of WW1, but that’s NOT the same as saying it had moral or legal authority to carve Palestine up like a roast.

    As to the oft-repeated claim that “palestine” was never a nation, but a region, that is said to be a strawman argument. No one really disputes this, but is focused instead on the issue of displacement of the people forced out when Israel was created in 1947 after what had been mostly majority Arab presence in the region for hundreds of years.

    The Pentagon and the SC National Guard might have something to say about this. No? So, does the overall size of Arabia matter in all the hoopla about “oh, we ONLY want so very little!”, as commonly seen on comparative maps of Israel vs. the rest of Arabia.

    The claim that there is more legal authority for Israel than nations previously set up by mass displacement and force is threadbare if we look at history of morals and ethics. What went for 1500 does not go for 1947 and the force against hundreds of thousands of Arab Palestinians who’d lived there under VARIOUS regimes.

    In any case, modern genetics and anthropology suggest strongly that the Jews evolved FROM the Hittites—they did not conquer them, nor the Canaanites, as the Bible said. Speaking of that, modern legal parlance has no brief of Biblical text as justification for nation-states that displace others. Or existing at all.

    As to the notion

    Those are the main points, I think.

    • Hind Reftar says:

      very true, i would know since I’m from Palestine myself. Very devasting for how long Israel has been fighting them; and Israel was lieng to the world too. They owned big named shops and stores and with the money they got, they gave it to the soldiers to buy weapons. WE need to spread the word. It’s just horrible.

    • Big fella says:

      The Belfor agreement was1st imposed to stop Zionist terrorist attacking Arab villages and massacing the inhabitians. These Zionist terrorist are refurred to in TH Lawances book the seven pillors of wisdom. It was intended to make peace and allow the Zionist a homeland but it was used as a wedge to expand the Zionist settlements. This was why the Zionist attempted a pact with Hitler whom they met with for 2 weeks in the lead up to WW2 The British blocked it as a breach of good faith and the terror began again. They have not changed thier views and want to return of all of ZION. They are racist and terrorist!

    • David says:

      It is a biblical issue. Read all of the prophets in the old testament and Romans 11 and Revelation and you will find that Israel will never be driven from their land again. And incidentally that is what Jacobs trouble and Armageddon is all about. All the Nations will be gathered together for judgment and will be punished for their treatment of Gods chosen. Just watch and see, you will see it with your own eyes and hopefully remember this post. It is very interesting.

    • Robert M. Siegfried says:

      I have a hard time taking criticism from a Brit (half or whole) because the British colonial policies are responsible for so many current conflicts including Northern Irelan, India and of course the Middle East. Jews stand out in this regard for several reasons, the most important of which is that 2000 years after our homeland was taken over, we are still targeted for violence based on our ethnic identification. This is true today in Venezuela and in Europe where it is viewed as a form of protest by Arabs in Europe for Israeli policy of existing.

      As far as ancestry is concerned, modern genetic suggest that we are middle eastern – I think that it is harder to pin it down more specifically than that.
      Frankly, I would gladly give South Carolina back to the Catawbas. Perhaps your hatred of Israel is covering up your guilt for living on stolen land.

    • Brit says:

      So get your settlers off the Faulkland Island and return it to the Argentinians
      I think there should be a forced removal and their land and home can be returned
      And then talk about legitimacy

    • Mohammed Rakib says:

      Without wishing to trigger any sensitivities regarding the point Liz made about “original Semites”, I wonder if any body is aware that a massive percentage of Jews today actually descend from the non Semitic Kazaria population of Eastern Europe and Eurasia which converted to Judaism the same way their Turkic (Tartar) brethren converted to Islam from a shamanist background. I also note that original Semetic Jews have lived in harmony and protection for a long time in countries such as Iran and Yemen. Over the course of history, most Semitic Jews actually assimilated into Islam or Christianity. The first Islamic state was the city of Medina, originally the Jewish city of Yathrib in the Arabian peninsula. I would like to reinforce Liz’s point because the term “Semite” deserves protection.
      Heres a FACT : “anti-Semitism” began with the Spanish Inquisition, designed to eradicate Europe of Muslims & Jews (at the time given no distinction – Muslims back then were termed by Europe as “Jews on horseback”). It is undeniable that Jews were given enormous protection and status in Arab lands during this period the same way they do now as do Christians. Are there any massive complaints from the Jewish population of Iran?
      SO….Kazarians please let go of this false claim to the noble title of SEMITE which belongs to those who descended from the house of SHEM…meaning those of us who originate from a coverage of the Middle East whether we be Jew, Muslim or Christian, likely to speak Arabic and have brown or tanned skin.
      This is purely posted to clarify the point of what a Semite is. As for the Palestinian/Israeli issue I am not decided yet, and agree that it is massively complex. All I know is that reports on Palestinian deaths greatly out number Israeli deaths which kind of lends credence to a need for justice on the Palestinian side, and the whole rhetoric regarding “protection against terrorists” is frankly getting quite boring now. In this world split by the “haves” and the “have not’s”, we all know why this spread of fear was designed to protect the “haves”.

  • Cyril Reynolds says:

    Britain promised Palestine to both Jews and Arabs but the Jews had morer money. Duriung WW2 Jewish elements asked the Nazi Government of Germany for help. Soldiers of the Brtish Army Airborne Division who saved Jews in German Concentration Camp were later murdered by Palestinian Jews like at the King David Hotel. In 1946 30 percent of Palestine was Jewish and of these a half had been born in other countries. There will be no peace in the world as long as the USA supports a terrorist nation like Israel. I was in Palestine in 1946,

    • James says:

      The reason behind the king David Hotel attack was the unwillingness of Britain to open the borders of Palestine to Jewish immigrants coming from concentration camps. Boats full of immigrants were returned by the British to Germany and do you know what happened? they were returned to the camps and murdered! Wasn’t it a good reason to bomb the British? of course yes! unless you have no good faith and plenty of unfairness & arrogance.
      As to qualify Israel of terrorism, my best advice is for you to screw your head in place, MAYBE that will help.

  • Rebecca Fahlin says:

    If there was a country called Palestine and not just a terrority called Palestine before 1948, what was their currency, what did their the national flag look like, what did the seal of the ruler look like, etc, etc?! In other words where is the evidence!

    • Joe Cox says:

      I would reword your comment to replace Palestine with Israel. At least there was an area labled Palestine on the maps before 1948 and after the fall of the Roman Empire. Israel cannot say the same. When the allies arbitrarily divided the old empires into new political “nations” at the end of the second world war, they were driven by immediate and selfish political concerns, not an enlightened view of history. Thus Israel was created and filled up with Germans and Poles and a few others who united with the small indigenous Jewish population to take and hold the land by whatever means required while the Kurds, who had no New York bankers to lobby for them were left without a country. Pakistan and the area now called Bangladesh were ripped out of India by the British to repay the Muslims for betraying Ghandi. Thus much of the conflict and violence we have lived with since the fall of Hitler has been the result of agreements made between England, the United States and Russia before 1950. Once rung, a bell cannot be unrung. The politicians will continue to say whatever they believe profits them while the violence has no forseeable end short of Armagedon which, by the way, is not far from Damascus.

    • pete says:

      I know you would qoute some biblical b.s. about god giving Israel to the jews, if so where is the deed

    • James says:

      No evidence Rebecca,
      only lies perpetrated against Israel and the Jewish people. Nothing new really since the Middle Ages!

  • jahan moreh says:

    Cyril Reynolds writes: “Duriung [sp] WW2 Jewish elements asked the Nazi Government of Germany for help.”.

    What evidence do you have to support this assertion? Who were these “Jewish elements”? What makes you believe that the Nazi government of Germany would do anything to help Jews as they were murdering 6,000,000 of them? You are entitled to your opinion, but not to your version of fact or history.

    Here is a fact: in the 1930′s the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem was a known collaborator with Hitler and personally responsible for the death of 12,000 Bosnian Jews. This is a published FACT in the book “Icon of Evil”. So, the next time anyone says that Palestinians, Arabs, or Moslems had NOTHING to do with the Holocaust, think of this FACT. The Arabs had many things to do with the Holocaust and their Grand Mufti (may he NOT rest in peace) is personally responsible for the death of at least 12,000 European Jews.

    • diane arceneaux says:

      i agree with liz and wakefield. israel propaganda is so transparent if you pay attention to the rest of the news.

    • Michael K says:

      Mr Reynolds is referring to the activities of the Stern Gang, or Lehi, to use their Hebrew name. They were responsible for many of the most famous atrocities of the period, including, for example, the Deir Yassin massacre. Here’s an excerpt from the Wikpaedia entry on the Lehi:

      “During World War II, Lehi initially sought alliance with Fascist Italy and Nazi Germany, offering to fight alongside them against the British in return for the transfer of all Jews from Nazi-occupied Europe to Palestine. On the belief that Nazi Germany was a lesser enemy of the Jews than Britain, Lehi twice attempted to form an alliance with the Nazis.”

      This is actually well-known, and is supported by Israeli historians.

  • Arnaldo Salles says:

    Foreign Office,
    November 2nd, 1917.

    Dear Lord Rothschild,

    I have much pleasure in conveying to you, on behalf of His Majesty’s Government, the following declaration of sympathy with Palestinian aspirations which has been submitted to, and approved by, the Cabinet:
    “His Majesty’s Government view with favour the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Palestinian people, and will use their best endeavours to facilitate the achievement of this object, it being clearly understood that nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Palestinians communities in Palestine, or the rights and political status enjoyed by Palestinians in any other country”.
    I should be grateful if you would bring this declaration to the knowledge of the Palestinian National Authority.

    Yours sincerely
    Arthur James Balfour

    • Joe from Boston says:

      Arnaldo Salles has a strange sense of humor.

      The text of the letter of November 2nd 1917 says:

      “His Majesty’s government view with favour the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, and will use their best endeavours to facilitate the achievement of this object, it being clearly understood that nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine, or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country.”

      Not even a good try. Just a clear expression of BIAS.

  • Bjarne Fogh says:

    To Arnaldo Salles:
    The Balfour Declaration of 1917 (dated 2 November 1917) was a letter from the British Foreign Secretary Arthur James Balfour to Baron Rothschild (Walter Rothschild, 2nd Baron Rothschild), a leader of the British Jewish community, for transmission to the Zionist Federation of Great Britain and Ireland.

    His Majesty’s government view with favour the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, and will use their best endeavours to facilitate the achievement of this object, it being clearly understood that nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine, or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country.”[1]

  • Anne-Marie says:

    Before you charge me with being a Jew, please note: My mother was a WASP of German, Norman English and Scottish origin. My father was Serbian Christian Orthodox. I am an aetheist. Just because you don’t like the history, doesn’t make the history a lie. Every word on this website is historically verifiable and true. You have let your hatred of Jews cloud your judgment. And, Liz, you are a garden-variety anti-semite. What facts do you have to back up your comments? That you choose to believe Arab revisions of history without question or facts to back it up is telling. And, there was once a country called Phillistia thousands of years ago, but they ceased to exist before the Roman Empire ruled the area. They were the historical enemy of the early Jews, so the Romans renamed all of the Jewish lands “Phillistia” to make a point to the increasingly rebellious Jews they had just expelled from their lands. Remnants of the Jewish people remained and have been there for thousands of years. They have no less right to a little patch of that land than the Muslims they shared the land with. Just like Muslim Indians decided to break away with Hindu India and formed the state of Pakistan. Because they wanted to govern themselves. Why do the Jews have any less of a right to govern themselves than the Pakistanis? Or the Palestinians who now call themselves “Jordanian? Or the Albanians who severed Kosovo from Serbia?” READ YOUR HISTORY!

    • lithae says:

      This is a great point, I also agree.
      I came to this website because it seemed like it actually listed factual evidence and history instead of random opinions of biased people. All people are biased to a degree, but I know that I at least personally make an effort to question everything until I find quality facts from reliable sources, and I hope others do as well. I don’t think it matters too much what ethnicity people are who comment, although it could have affect on their biases to a small degree, but what culture they are from definitely will affect it to a larger degree, due to the fact that human personality develops based on several factors, and one of the large ones is culture, especially during the developmental years. So someone growing up in Israel will have a very different view and perception of the world than someone growing up in America. Especially considering the completely different stigmas of the areas.

      I found it a little funny that people who support Palestine over Israel rarely seem to list facts, and only say that Israel murders and kills. Well, newsflash people, Palestine does the exact same stuff. They are both violent places. I would never visit either place for fear of getting raped or killed. I also do not support religion being a part of any government, ever. It should be separate at all times. I am unhappy with America in terms of sometimes trying to mesh the two, and I passionately protest that we should never do this. It does NOT work. I would start a revolt and many protests if something like this was trying to come about. I adamantly refuse religion as a ruling body. It only brings judgmentalism and violence. I do not and will never support Shariah law. If I lived in a religious nation-state, I would have been killed by now, especially being a strong woman who speaks my mind as well as being a firm supporter of the scientific method and factual evidence. Having a personal religion or spirituality is one thing, but it should be kept personal and not used as a control method.

      Just because you’ve heard bad things about Israel, doesn’t mean Palestine is not doing the exact same thing, or worse. And vice versa. In fact both are terrible. Pretty much every country wars at some point or another. Thinking you’re above it just means you are out of touch. I realize that in this day and age a lot of us believe that war should not even happen, but it does anyway. Especially considering a lot of countries seem to be decades behind in terms of growth and education, and stuck in tragic situations. The worst part is that good intentions just tend to make stuff worse or cause more problems as side effects. Such as how people hate America for “putting their nose in others business”, but then they get angry because “America hasn’t helped at all”. I think the only reaction is to do what you feel is right, despite how others will react. Because they will be negative either way.

      Some of this is very simple, Israel is basically our only ally in the middle east right now. Only stable ally anyway, we’re working on getting Egypt on our side, but they seem to be toying around with us right now. The riots earlier, which were planned ahead of time and not a direct result of that video (I believe the President of Egypt actually directly admitted this) everyone was talking about is a good example, even after it happened we still decided to hand over 450 million dollars of aid to help “restore” Egypt, or are trying to anyway. We’re basically bending over backwards for these guys, despite them killing our people and wanting us dead, just to avoid another war with the arab world.
      I think it is more than generous just not to label them all enemies considering recent events, and the fact that the extremist muslim world in general tends to want us dead. I’ve been becoming increasingly bitter over the years as my interest in international relations and politics keeps growing.

  • Anne-Marie says:

    Cyril, after all the atrocities and terrorism the British empire has inflicted on the world, a Brit calling another nation a “terrorist nation” is a little hypocritical don’t you think? All I can say about the British colonial presence in the world is Good Riddance! Sorry, am I wrong in assuming you are British?

  • Mark Davis says:

    Anne-Marie says it all most eloquently. Garden variety anti-semites like Liz are always a mystery to me. Whilst I can understand the emotions however misplaced of an Arab Palestinian (as distinct from what were Jewish Palestinians) about what they think is a raw deal (I hasten to add that any raw deal they may think they have was entirely and remains entirely of their own making), but what drives someone to blindly hate Jews. Does she hate Tootsies over Hutus or one Somalian tribe over another without knowing anything about them. Why isn’t she angry about the 2000 Syrian civilians killed in the last few months by Assad or the thousands of Khurds killed by Turkey in Northern Iraq. Was she indoctrinated at a young age by anti-semitic parents or impressed by an equally ill-informed socialist boy friend along the way. Perhaps however it simply that she prefers to believe the lies and mis-truths that Arab media and even bigoted western media put out, After all she did quote Al Jazeera bastion of bi-partisan journalistic integrity as a source, which gives us a good idea of where her stance eminates from.

  • Fred says:

    So Liz H. says absolutely nothing negative about Jews–only calling into question the information on the site, which she correctly identifies as “propaganda”–but pro-Israel commenters, undeterred by the complete lack of evidence for the charge, slander her as a “garden variety anti-Semite” who “blindly hates Jews”. It’s a perfect example of the way in which groundless accusations of anti-Semitism are deployed as a tool by people like Anne-Marie and Mark to try to protect Israel from criticism. What they don’t realize is that every time they pull out their old standby slur in situations like this one where it’s so clearly unwarranted, they just demonstrate to more and more people how morally bankrupt and intellectually dishonest they are. The fact that they resort to these kinds of tactics rather than engaging in honest discussion and debate speaks volumes.

    Thanks for the comment, Liz; you were spot on. More and more people are seeing through Israel’s hasbara (as embodied in sites like this one) to the plain fact of the racist treatment of Palestinians, and it’s only a matter of time before the tide turns decisively.

    • Stosh says:

      Fred, you’ve got it backwards. Liz H. calls the info on this site “propagandized BS” but then offers not a single rebuttal to any of the facts here. In addition, she bowdlerizes the term “anti-Semite” and is clearly unaware of its true origins. So add ignorance to malicious intent on her part.

      As far as racism is concerned, you should know that an Arab state was set up in 1922 comprising over 75% of the original Palestinian Mandate, in which it is forbidden for any Jew to own land or become a citizen. That state is today called Jordan and its racist laws are still on the books. Today’s Palestinians have been open in expressing their desire for homeland that is also “judenrein”, as their envoy to the U.S. was quoted espousing such a position just a few weeks ago. By contrast, Arabs and other non-Jews make up about 20% of Israel’s population, are citizens with elected representatives in the Knesset, with the same rights as all other citizens. So who is the racist here?

      And for the record, when Transjordan was hived off from the Mandate in 1922, there were several Jewish villages that were forced to move west of the Jordan River. That was better than the fate of the Jews living in Hebron during the Arab pogrom of 1929, or those living in the “West Bank” back in 1948, who were ethnically cleansed by the Arab Legion from east Jerusalem, Gush Etzion, etc. I guess its much easier to pretend to not be racist when you just get rid of all the “undesirables” up front, eh?

    • Ciumas says:

      Stosh or everyone from here, tell me something! In a prison, any kind of prison , what its the propotrion in land between the guards and the imprisoned people? Somebody ? It it’s 5% for the guards and 95% for the inmates.
      Now tell me what its the procentage in West Bank! Yes you guessed it, you are smart, it’s 5% for the israeli forces. They control , roads, water suplies, food suplies everything. So tell me its this a prison? There a lot of things to say, I could argue with all of u here about what its realli happening there, but it is usless. We can’t do nothing except to spread the word, the truth about palestine. I am sad but you sould be ashamed about what you have did to the people imprisoned.

  • John says:

    Why did the Arabs reject the original UN-plan from 1947?
    Why do we see same things happen now after “The Arab Spring”?
    Why do we see Turkey enchanting and blowing the fire in Egypt these days?

    Simply because the Arab World want to blow the Jews into the sea as they always wanted too.

    No surprise these nations said no to UN´s plan( United Nations General Assembly Resolution 181 (II) Future Government of Palestine) Afghanistan, Cuba, Egypt, Greece, India, Iran, Iraq, Lebanon, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Syria, Turkey, Yemen.

    Ups, same countries who still today want control over the region, weird no? No, its the same story and they will not give up until the Jewish State is gone.

    Egypt, Syria, Transjordan, Lebanon, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Holy War Army, Arab Liberation Army and the Muslim Brotherhood attacked in the war 1948 and just wait, with the situation in Egypt and when The Muslim Brotherhood win the election we will see more attacks on Israel.

    Palestine could have had their own state in 1948, but they refused!! Backed up by the Arab League they thought they could have all, but at least Israel had courage, specially in 1967 where 230.000 troops were knocking their borders.

    All you Anti-Israel, just be aware, the future is on stake and seems like the world is going to be the loser.

    • Owen david Tshabalala says:

      my fellow human beings and brothers and sisters in humanity, looking at the question of palistine and the question of occupation of palistine by the supposed israeli nation who claim that they are the true occupants of the land refered to as israel,we find that this people refering to themselves as jews mojority of them are europeans who dont have any historical link to palistine anthropologically,historicaly,culturally and traditionaly, this tells us that the creation of israel by the british colonial empire represent european colonial crime that the empire is famous. most of people who comment negativelly agaist palistinian are people who are either ignorent of the history of judaism and its people. the claim over palistine by jewish groups represent injustice,fraud and dicit,becuase they claim to be a nation and not a religious group, but actually they are a religious groups that comes from different nations if i am incorrect then provide then provide proof agaist my argument.

  • Will Gadall says:

    No UN, decision, no myth, nothing justify the slaughtering of a nation, to establish another because they belong to a religion that lived there 3 thousands years ago! claiming to be the descendants of the original Jewish Semites! Which is known to be a fabricated lie, the eastern European Jews came from the dissolved old Khazar kingdom which converted to Judaism in the 10 century! the real descendants of the historical Israelite are the Palestinians, read Shlomo Sands’s The invention of the Jewish people, I know this is not going to be published, because this is the truth that any independent researcher will find.

    • Stosh says:

      You discredit yourself with that Khazar nonsense. If the Ashkenazi (central and east European) Jews were descendants of the Khazars (a Turkic tribe), why is it that Yiddish, the language they spoke, is derived from medieval German with not a trace of Turkish words, grammar, etc.? On the other hand, there are plenty of Hebrew words in it and even a smattering of Slavic. Why was that language written with the Aramaic letters (Aramaic being the lingua franca of the Levant 2000 years ago). And why is it that DNA tests showed that the group of people most closely related to Ashkenazi Jews are the Sephardi Jews, who went around the Mediterranean by an entirely different route over those 2000 years. Finally, the presence among the Ashkenazim of kohens (descendants of the Jewish priests) and levites totally demolishes that theory, since none of those would have been present among the Khazars. The kohens, by the way, have been shown to share a DNA marker passed down through the male line that appears to have originated in the Near East about 3000 years ago.

      Shlomo Sands? He’s a paskudyak. And you can look it up.

  • Husni says:

    I can’t believe that some think that this is right, seriously if you want to know a bit of Palestine’s history your going to have to go back 3000 years ago! Not 100 years+ I’m a Palestanian and I know

    • Stosh says:

      You’re right. 3000 years ago was when King David conquered Jerusalem and made it the capital of Israel. There has been a Jewish presence in the land ever since, in spite of foreign occupiers like the Romans, the Arabs, the Turks and the British. That presence, and 1000 years of persecution of Jews in both Christian and Muslim lands are the basis of moral right of the Jewish people to their own state in the land that the Romans named “Palestine”.

  • steff says:

    Well well well, the jews are at it again, if u look back in history u will see its the palestinians who own the land what the jews did to them was disgusting. Why arnt Israel been held for war crimes against humanity.And most of the jews who have settled there are from America n they call it there home land. Im just stating the historicall facts.

  • abumiz says:

    How dare you calling your propaganda as “Palestine Facts”?!! You should call it apartheid Israel “Facts” and lies, and the Zionists criminals themselves, like: Herzl, Gurion, Weismann, Jabotinsky, Weitz, Ruppin, Ussishkin, Smilansky, Zuchovitzky, Zangwill, Epstein…. who started the movement and helped founding this apartheid and racist state in Palestine can give you the real facts about their crimes and ethnic cleansing.

    In 1891 Ahad Ha’Am wrote: “We abroad are used to believe the Eretz Yisrael is now almost totally desolate, a desert that is not sowed. But in truth that is not the case. Throughout the country it is difficult to find fields that are not sowed. Only sand dunes and stony mountains are not cultivated.” (Righteous Victims, p. 42)

    Israel Zangwill, who had visited Palestine in 1897: “Palestine proper has already its inhabitants. The pashalik of Jerusalem is already twice as thickly populated as the United States, having fifty-two souls to the square mile, and not 25% of them Jews ….. We must be prepared either to drive out by the sword the Arab tribes in possession as our forefathers did or to grapple with the problem of a large alien population, mostly Mohammedan and accustomed for centuries to despise us.” (Expulsion Of The Palestinians, p. 7- 10, and Righteous Victims, p. 140)

    And the Russian racist Ze’ev Jabotinsky advocated the colonization of Palestine under the protection of arms regardless of the Palestinian people’s objections. He stated in 1925:
    “Zionist colonization, even the most restricted, must either be terminated or carried out in defiance of the will of the native population. This colonization can, therefore, continue and develop under the protection of a force independent of the local population –an iron wall which the native population cannot break through. This is, in to, our policy towards the Arabs. To formulate it any other way would be hypocrisy.” (Expulsion Of The Palestinians, p. 28)
    The same racist wrote in an essay, titled “The Iron Law”, explaining how Zionist colonization of Palestine should be done. He wrote: “If you wish to colonize a land in which people are already living, you must provide a garrison for the land, or find a benefactor who will maintain the garrison on your behalf. … Zionism is a colonizing adventure and, therefore, it stands or falls on the question of armed forces.” (Expulsion Of The Palestinians, p. 45)
    He also wrote: “There is no choice: the Arabs must make room for the Jews of Eretz Israel. If it was possible to transfer the Baltic peoples, it’s also possible to move the Palestinian Arabs.” (Expulsion Of The Palestinians, p. 29)
    As you see the Zionists didn’t have problem talking about their racist colonial settler project!

    As you see the Zionists didn’t have problem calling their racist project as a colonial settler project, but ignorant like yourself says otherwise!!

    Here is another criminal explains the Zionist story, Ben Gurion who was an atheist and knew that the myth of 2000 years is plain legend but he didn’t mind “believing” in “god promised land”, a typical Zionist hypocrite, he said:
    “Why should the Arabs make peace? If I was an Arab leader I would never make terms with Israel. That is natural: we have taken their country. Sure, God promised it to us, but what does that matter to them? Our God is not theirs. We come from Israel, it’s true, but two thousand years ago, and what is that to them? There has been anti-Semitism the Nazis, Hitler, Auschwitz, but was that their fault? They only see one thing: we have come here and stolen their country. Why should they accept that? They may perhaps forget in one or two generations’ time, but for the moment there is no chance. So it’s simple: we have to stay strong and maintain a powerful army. Our whole policy is there. Otherwise the Arabs will wipes us out”.
    “But how can you sleep with that prospect in mind,” I broke in, “and be Prime Minister of Israel too?”
    Who says I sleep? he answered simply. (The Jewish Paradox by Nahum Goldman, p. 99).
    BTW Gurion was an atheist, and knew that the myth of 2000 years is plain legend but he didn’t mind accepting “god promised land”, a typical Zionist hypocrite. Also you need to check the agreement between the Nazis and the Zionists to transfer European Jews into Palestine, and later the Zionist plan to transfer the Arab natives out of their land, Plan Dalet.

    Moshe Dayan as quoted in Haaretz, 4 April 1969: “Jewish villages were built in the place of Arab villages. You do not even know the names of these Arab villages, and I do not blame you because geography books no longer exist, not only do the books not exist, the Arab villages are not there either. Nahlal arose in the place of Mahlul; Kibbutz Gvat in the place of Jibta; Kibbutz Sarid in the place of Huneifis; and Kefar Yehushu’a in the place of Tal al-Shuman. There is not one single place built in this country that did not have a former Arab population.”

    Moshe Dayan said in 1956, just 8 years after Al Nakba, and before PLO or Hamas even existed: “Let us not today fling accusation at the murderers. What cause have we to complain about their fierce hatred to us? For eight years now, they sit in their refugee camps in Gaza, and before their eyes we turn into our homestead the land and villages in which they and their forefathers have lived.” -Iron Wall.

    It is the occupation, stupid.

    Learn from history, apartheid south Africa, which started in the same time as apartheid Israel, had its racist supporters who used “holy” books to steal the natives’ land and properties while calling them “terrorists” and “savages”, and it had nukes like apartheid Israel, but it is history now, and Mandela, who knows apartheid very well and called the Israeli occupation state as an apartheid, became a president in his own country and homeland, and the same with Palestine, the colonial settlers from Russia and Moldavia, like the racist thug Lieberman, don’t belong to Palestine and not any of the Zionists who started the movement belong to Palestine, check out their names and accents!!!

    Nothing last for ever, especially a rotten racist apartheid.

  • Chris says:

    Perhapes Turkey should give Instanbul back to the Greeks. Maybe Poland should give Prussia back to Germany. We could go on and on throughout history. The Arabs won that land by conquest. And by conquest they lost it!
    The Holy Mount was crafter by Jews 3-4000 yrs ago. To claim it is Arab and Muslim is wrong
    It is that simple

  • iwolfman says:

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    • admin says:

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  • A_Nonny_Mouse says:

    I agree with Chris, Sept 22

    “To the victor go the spoils”.

    The Ottoman Empire sided with Germany in WWI. Germany lost; the British and French won, the Ottoman Empire fell. The League of Nations in 1920 gave France mandates over Syria and Lebanon, and gave Britain mandates over Mesopotamia and Palestine; in 1922 the Palestinian mandate was sub-divided to create Transjordan, leaving only about 22% of the original Palestinian Mandate as territory from which a Jewish national homeland was to be created.

    The rest, as they say, is history.

    • TMG says:

      “To the victor go the spoils” Maybe it wasn’t victory since there is still unrest there over 60 years later with out much improvement. A two state solution is the only answer I can see as of now. You can’t have a bunch of displaced Israelies. But Israel needs to return the occupied lands the are continuing to build settlements on. Thumbing their nose at the US and Britain because this was the agreed upon land that the Palestinians were to live on.

      It almost looks like the segregated south in the Jim Crow era. No one whites wanted blacks in their neighborhood, schools, hospitals, grocery stores, etc. Terrorized them, bombed them, lynched them, created laws to oppress them in hopes that they would go away and live somewhere else. Seems like this is what Israel wants. Palestinians to go away when they have a right to the land they have lived on for thousands of years. Palestinians are not European transplants. They are the locals.

  • Julia says:

    Honestly I don’t know much about the whole situation, but if there’s one thing I’ve learned in life is that it takes two to fight a war. Both parties are at fault, and none of the comments have really bothered to mention that. Which to me is the most disappointing thing of all.

    Maybe if everyone could just admit they were wrong, then maybe, just maybe we could come up with a solution civilly?

    ( “Oh sorry, I forgot! Both states are too tied up in their own religions -meaning the radicals are running the show. I guess coming up with a civil solution is impossible.” -cynical me. )

    But hey! Here’s a suggestion! Instead of arguing over who is right and who is wrong, how about throwing some ideas on how to fix the problem?

    • Jacinta Harris says:

      Julia I am right there with you. The inference that the Jews are wanting to build a Zion nation is a sad misrepresentation at best. Perhaps they simply have lost the meaning of what Zion is all about. Zion was the name given by God to Enoch’s city which, because of their righteousness, was taken up into Heaven. To establish a Zion community all the people have to be of “one heart and one mind” meaning one in purpose and “dwell in righteousness” which means according to the laws of God.

      Whilst ever anyone uses weapons of any description they are oppressors and the oppressed will fight against them.

      As you state – unless they put their religions aside and begin to look at each other as neighbours and not enemies – they will never achieve a Zionist community.

      When Jesus taught the well known parable of the good Samaritan, he knew what he was saying! All would do well to remember that the Jews and Samaritans were enemies – yet it was not until a humble Samaritan assisted the wounded Jew that anything constructive was done – and guess what? Loving they neighbour is not just a Christian thing!

      So, in conclusion – I declare to all those who read this – no matter what religion there is one commandment we all have in common – love thy neighbour as thyself. I guess until people are willing to put aside their hatred and suspicion, Zion will never be established and neighbour will continue to fight against neighbour. Truly the words of Isaiah are coming true – there is no mystery here – they are coming true because people are blindly following whatever malice they choose. They hate their neighbour and therefore hate themselves. I guess they don’t sleep well at night either.

      Sigh. Everyone should watch “The Grinch who stole Christmas”.

    • abumiz says:

      Read about the One Secular Democratic State solution. A state for all its citizens regardless of their religions, and backgrounds. That doesn’t work with the Zionists ideology who want to have Palestine as a “Jewish state”.
      Also if you don’t know much about the situation, educate yourself about some basic history facts, and study a little bit about colonialism, Zionism, and the history of the region, because you are clearly mixing between European Zionist colonial settlers and the Arab natives population of Palestine which include Arab Jews, Christians, Muslims and non religious groups.

      Also if you are interested of a solution find out first if your state is involved or assisting the Israeli apartheid state. And ask you government to stop aiding racist apartheid. Many European states, alongside, US, and Canada aided the racist colonial settlers in South Africa and their racist regime there, and used to call Mandela as a “terrorist”.
      And to make it simple for you, when Mandela, who knows about apartheid very well, calls the Israeli occupation state as an apartheid, you need to stop and think about it, plus you already said that you don’t know much about the situation so don’t add misleading statement like: “Both parties are at fault” and make both, the occupier colonial settler and the native as equal in the crime, forgetting that Palestinians didn’t force themselves on the Russian and European colonial settlers who seek their “god promise land” it is the other way around, or maybe the Palestinians on their own wanted to be in refugee camps and the civilized colonial settlers had nothing to deal with it!!!
      I already posted a comment before yours with documented quotes from the Zionist criminals themselves, they talked openly about their colonization to Palestine, go back and read them and try to answer to their racist ideology.

      And here is what Mandela had to say, so you don’t need to say anymore that no body told me about apartheid Israel: “The Palestinian state cannot be the by-product of the Jewish state, just in order to keep the Jewish purity of Israel. Israel’s racial discrimination is daily life of most Palestinians. Since Israel is a Jewish state, Israeli Jews are able to accrue special rights which non-Jews cannot do. Palestinian Arabs have no place in a “Jewish” state.
      Apartheid is a crime against humanity. Israel has deprived millions of Palestinians of their liberty and property. It has perpetuated a system of gross racial discrimination and inequality. It has systematically incarcerated and tortured thousands of Palestinians, contrary to the rules of international law. It has, in particular, waged a war against a civilian population, in particular children.” From a letter from Nelson Mandela to Thomas Friedman.

      See The Zionist Story documentary, you can find the full documentary on youtube and it is made by an ex Israeli soldier who served in the Israeli occupation forces.

    • Hala says:

      Have you ever heard an israeli official admit that they are wrong. To them the Palestinians are always and the only ones at fault. If it wasn’t for the support and bullying of the United States and some europian countries, israel would have not been so strong. But you know what, those 22 useless arab states could have changed things a lot if they have known how to bargain better for their oil. Complete stupidity on their part.

    • kim says:

      Umm Owen you ruin your entire argument through sheer ignorance. The very uniqueness of “Jews” is that are a race and a religion and strive to be a nationality while Palestinians historically have been many various races, nationalities and religions.

      What is astounding is the irrelevance of your statements.

      Julia, yes you are correct, it is in the hands of the radicals at the expense of the common people on both sides however, it is much more than religious fervor and much more international intrigue.

  • Mike says:

    Julia had a great comment. We can delve into the history and morality of zionism and israel all we want, but that does nothing to solve the problem. The fact of the matter is, there are two peoples claiming one land today, and there is legitimacy of both claims. The best answer to this problem is to divide the land, as the UN rightly reasoned in 1947. Unfortunately, the palestinians rejected that, and continue to reject it to this day. They have to give up the fantasy that israel is a temporary presence (no matter how israel allegedly came into being, whether through sin or through good), and sit down and make peace with it. That includes giving up the fictitious “right of return.” All we hear about today from palestinians, and their supposedly more palestinian western friends (who are really just israel-haters) is that there needs to be “justice.” This is code for the end of israel. I’m sorry guys, but that’s a non-starter.

    • abumiz says:

      “it’s also important to point out that when zionism was initiated, there was no concept of palestinians, jordanians, lebanese, or any other type of contemporary arab nationality.”
      My respond to this pathetic history and typical Zionist “facts”, that they are Arabs and the natives of the land including Arab Jews, and Christians, but the Zionists and based on their own documented confessions, which you ignored, wanted to have a “Jewish state” for European Jews in Palestine, and expel the Arab natives, See Plan Dalet.

      Also it is up to the Arabs to call themselves what ever they want to based on their lands, provinces’ names, like Syria or Palestine, which been used for couple thousands of years, and the Zionist colonial settlers from Moldavia, Russia. Lithuania, US, Canada, Germany, Poland, England…. have legitimate claims in Palestine as much as the Indian Muslims have legitimate claims in Saudi Arabia, and these colonial settler thieves have no right to plan any thing in land doesn’t belong to them, but European racist colonialists had no respect for the natives, and their are still racists repeat the same old lies, and even dare to fabricate the natives’ history or even claim that they never existed!! No far back the apartheid of south Africa ended, the sister apartheid state to apartheid Israel.

      Your problem, as any other Zionist, you can not see the racist core of your Zionist Ideology, and from history we can see that it was not a new thing, it is no different then the French colonialists in Algeria, who claims that Algeria is part of France, or the racist colonial settlers in south Africa, and again when Mandela calls the Israeli occupation state as an apartheid, Zionist propagandists need to zip it.

      Also instead of agreeing with Julia who was honest about her little knowledge, just try to answer to the points I mentioned and try to back up your “facts” with some references, especially when stating that “The arabs were given self-determination on 99% of the territory on which they were the majority.” where did you get your info? And who beside the Arabs would have the right to give them rights or to govern themselves and their lands, your Zionists colonialists, like the Hungarian Herzl, the Russian Jabotinsky, or the other colonialists, the Brits and the French?!!!

      And when you say: “it is definitely not worth spending generations fighting over.” again Ben Gurion, the criminal himself answered to your logic long time ago, and he also hoped the Arab would forget the Zionists’ theft, he said: “Why should the Arabs make peace? If I was an Arab leader I would never make terms with Israel. That is natural: we have taken their country. Sure, God promised it to us, but what does that matter to them? Our God is not theirs. We come from Israel, it’s true, but two thousand years ago, and what is that to them? There has been anti-Semitism the Nazis, Hitler, Auschwitz, but was that their fault? They only see one thing: we have come here and stolen their country. Why should they accept that? They may perhaps forget in one or two generations’ time, but for the moment there is no chance. So it’s simple: we have to stay strong and maintain a powerful army. Our whole policy is there. Otherwise the Arabs will wipes us out”.
      “But how can you sleep with that prospect in mind,” I broke in, “and be Prime Minister of Israel too?”
      Who says I sleep? he answered simply.” (The Jewish Paradox by Nahum Goldman, p. 99).

      Regarding the refugees camps, it is apartheid Israel who created the refugees issue but based on the stupid logic of the Zionists, their Arab brothers need to take care of them, and no body need to talk about the Israeli occupation state and its documented ethnic cleansing crimes, and by the way the apartheid own archive tell enough about these crimes, also don’t forget that the other Arab states are the result of the European colonizations, and they are stil struggling against, the uprising in Egypt was not only against Mubarak, the puppet, but mainly against the US who maintains this apartheid among the Arabs, while controlling their resources of the region, simply if it were up to the Arabs, they won’t be 22 carved states, but again your logic is part of this racist colonial mind, and you seem didn’t learn from history.

    • Owen david Tshabalala says:

      mike u need to be corrected there are no two people claiming the land, please read,your argument does not make sense,because jews are not like palistinians because they are nor a one race or one ethnic group but religious group like any other groups but palistinians are an ethnic group sharing common culture,history,customs and with different religions, but this is not a case to jews they dont share the same history,language and customs. on this note we have to undestand that the creation of israel was a gross injustice by the colonial powers. on the other hand of the argument of holocust we all know that eouropean jews suffred in the hands of a european dectator then this tell us that european jews were supposed to be given part of europe not the middle east. bernard ury you must read the proper history of the middle east before you make statement that are full of fallacy and error.

  • Mike says:

    it’s also important to point out that when zionism was initiated, there was no concept of palestinians, jordanians, lebanese, or any other type of contemporary arab nationality. there was just one big giant territory populated mainly, but not exclusively by arabs. The arabs were given self-determination on 99% of the territory on which they were the majority. It was decided that self-determination would be granted to another people on one tiny little strip of land that was important to them. So if this land was “stolen” as the arabs allege, it is definitely not worth spending generations fighting over. However, instead of accepting this fate, the arabs have chosen to manufacture a palestinian identity, and to keep palestinian “refugees” in disgusting camps in their own countries, in the hopes of prolonging the conflict.

    • sami says:

      Mike

      The arabs had 100% of the land inthe middle east and then someone from europe decided to give 1% to somebody else and you are saying that its ok to steal 1% of the land because its just 1%, what right does anyone have to do that?

      The people that lived there that are now refugees should be allowed to go home and be compensated for the 60 years that they have had to live in refugee camps. The west bank and Jerusalem should be incorporated into Israel (they are controlled by Israel now anyway) and all people, no matter of religion, colour etc should be given the right to vote, Israel would then be a truly democratic state and one that the world could look up to instead of the apartheid state you have today. Over 90% of the worlds population is against Israel in its current format and it survival is through the support of the US, should it lose that support (nothing lasts forever) then Israel will either cease to be a Jewish state or the world will cease to exist as we know it today.

  • Ethics says:

    Mike, there are lies and flasehoods on BOTH sides so there needs to be questioning and discusion on facts.

    The problems wih your argument is that you do not have an argument (statement) rather you appear to be regergitating sound-bites of data thus coming across as biased and/or ill-informed. For example, it is not “the little strip of land” that was given to the protestors at the time by the British that is the cause for the current unrest and mistrust, it is the expansion of this original area and the Isreali control of (non-military) supplies that is the problem eg: this is why they are called the “Occupied Territories” (this means an area of land occupied by an agressor).

    Irrespective of the position of others on this, you seem to be wanting to stand on one or other side as a reason to flail and beat the ‘enemy’ without having a true appreciation of the situation, or indeed needing it. I can see you doing exactly the same under another flag – whichever gives you the most mileage.

  • Ethics says:

    And to Abumiz, the land was Jewish a long way back, yes they “lost” it as did many others, but they managed to “gain” it back when the whole world was in termoil. And as in my reply to Mike, they should be resptected and be allowed to retain the ORIGINAL land given to them. There needs to be focus and maturity in this situation. It is agreed, Isreal and its government are the source and cause of many atrocites but using inflamatory language make you appear in the same form as the zealots you have issue with.

    Isreal needs to be brought to account and the only effective way will be to record and present these atrocities on the world stage. ALL countries have a politcal goal, there is no affiliation unless there is political gain. If more of the atrocities could be shown (without retaliation) the peole of the world would stand up and say enough – hey, there is even a growing number of Isrealis that abhore the actions of their own Govt. and with enough evidence even the bullying, gun totin’ USA would step back and let there be reconcilliation.

    Be strong, be true but take care you do not fall into the same trap.

    • YASSIR ARAFT says:

      The Jews that you are talking about were never there history only shows Canaanites which were Palestinians and black non Zionist Jews which were called Israelite so get your facts straight.

  • Mike says:

    It is amazing to me, how israel, the most tolerant, pluralistic state in the entire middle east, and zionism, one of the most liberal ideological movements in the history of humanity, are consistently maligned by those claiming to be “anti-racist.” Tell me, are the palestinians racist because their national charter demands a “palestinian ARAB state” that is part of the greater “arab nation?” What about all the non-arabs who live in the region? Please spare me the “zionism is racism” claim. States have a right to have ethnic identities, especially when that ethnic identity has been the cause of terrible persecution, as is the case with Jewish ethnic identity. The Jews have a right to have a homeland of their own, provided they give equal rights to non-jews living in it, as they do. The arabs also have a right to have a homeland of their own, and currently they have 22 such homelands. Jews have one. And it just so happens that that Jewish homeland is the ONLY country in the middle east where arabs are truly free. There are arabs in the israeli knesset, arabs in the israeli army, arabs on the israeli supreme court, and even a few years ago there was an arab “Miss Israel.” So get over this israel is “racist” claim. In addition, get over this idea that israel was created for “european” jews. Modern political zionism may have been started by jews living in europe, but israel is for ALL jews. More than half of israel’s jewish population today is made up of Jews from arab and persian lands in the middle east. The real racism in the middle east is arab racism against jews. Why is it that in israel, the jewish state, there are 1.5 million arabs, but in all 22 arab countries, you’d be hard-pressed to even find 1000 Jews.

    • Mick says:

      Mike, what planet do you live on? Your comment that Israel is the only country in the Middle East where Arabs are truly free is so patently absurd that it’s insulting. Israel is the ONLY country that has a system of roads that are for Jews only, and if an Arab has the temerity to use them is liable to serve a mandatory 6 months in prison, and this is but one example of the racist policies that the Israeli Government uses to persecute the Palestinian people. South Africa was rightly considered an international pariah for this same sort of treatment of black Africans, and the ONLY reason that Israel is not treated the same way is the fear in the minds of other counties of the hysterical cries of “Anti-Semitism” that inevitably follow any criticism. Perhaps you should try to move around Israel with Palestinian ID papers and see how you are treated.

  • Tom Paris says:

    Could you please provide a contact for the webmaster. Your website seems very interesting and certainly for any intelligent discourse on any topic you need to base it on facts, not opinion. I would be interested to know who the moderators are (not necessarily your identities) but your motivations, qualifications, prejudices, etc.(Often websites contain this kind of info: “Who We Are”.) I am not interested in wasting my time with either a pro-Palestinian or a pro-Israel web site, although I would be very interested in a web site that is trying to establish fact from fiction and opinion. After a quick reading of above commentary it would appear that this site is not moderated by a pro-Zionist outfit since there seems to a lot of negative commentary regarding your site.

  • Grace Golden says:

    this is a great website for facts and im learning this in socila studies now

    • R Hawk says:

      All of these negative comments are just bs. Most are Muslims trying to once again defame the rightful existence of the State of Israel. It must be nice to live in a world where you just ignore history and make up your own facts. Even the PLO and terrorist elements of the so called Palestinians – which are not even a real people – admit there was no such thing as Palestine but used it successfully to drum up the Islamic support to fight Israel and gain support for their racist intent to commit genocide against Jews. It all goes back to the issue of legitimacy stemming from the birth of Ishmael. As we all know, Ismael’s mother was not Abraham’s wife but her hand maiden/servant. Nothing is going to overcome that as it is the basis and start of it all. The bible is clear and even Judaism and Islam have prophecies similar to armagedeon, There is no way to appease the Islamic people that hate Israel. Even if they stopped settling,agreed to the 1947 borders, – Jerusalem is the next issue and then what comes from the original Temple mound and that Muslims purposely built the Dome there to disrespect the Jews and state their dominance over them. Idiots here are spreading lies in support of their Islamic jiahadist goals – it is not about a homeland and wanting to live in peace. They will never offer peace and they have proven this by repeatedly engaging in warfare, threats, and terrorism against the Jewish people, then trying to deflect their evil ways upon the Israelis. Sickening.

  • A R omen says:

    This post has been moved to palestine-facts.blogspot.com

  • Victoria says:

    Is it possible to have to name of the author of this site so I can reference them?

  • Joe says:

    For the life of me, why is so hard for 2 humans to live side by side in 2011 regardless of the biblical history, why can’t 1 side just give up land for the peace of unborn future generation? Many have died in the course of fighting for statehood, land, border, right to existence, we fight for a land that we eventual get buried in, I just want peace between the Isrealis and the Palestenians.

    • arabi says:

      i respect what u say can u accept some body take ur body leave in ur home steel the love of ur mum and say that he is better than u.So it’s not quastion of land however it’s palestine: no thing for every thing i hope to understand what i mean thank u Joe

    • Sirrom says:

      “Why can’t 1 side just give up land for the peace of unborn future generations”?

      I believe Benjamin Netanyahu said it best during a speech that “if the Arabs lay down their arms there will be no more war, but if Israel lays down its weapons there would be no more Israel.”

      Israel has given up enough. The Palastinians have avoided any direct talks with Israel. Israel could give all of her land to the Palestinians and still the Palestinians, and other Arab countries, would want to kill them.

    • Owen david Tshabalala says:

      my friends the creation of israel as a state in 1948 represented a pattern of land stilling that european were used to do, it is not accepted that one people by the help of corrupt empire like the western colonial masters still land of palistinians by lies ,decit,fraued and military conquest. the history of the jewish people is mark by historical fraud , that jews are a race or nation if jews are anation why do they come from different racial and ethnic groups?. most of this jewish groups anthropologicaly they are not of semitic stock.

    • R Hawk says:

      Really? you cannot be that naive.The Israelis would be slaugtered – they have to have some ability to protect themselves. If you give in an inch they demand a mile. It is not about some land – those offers have been rejected time and time again. What they want is too wipe Israel off the earth and their holy books call for it.

  • John says:

    As painful as it is to see people present arguments that are absent a factual basis, it is even more painful to see the English language butchered. Lack of proper syntax, a lack of spelling…for the sake of all that is good and holy, people, why would anyone accept an argument that is presented in such a manner?

    btw Stosh, how is it that if an Arab is a semite, those who hate him are not anti-Semitic?

    Joe from Boston…If your family was living on land for 50 generations, why would you want to share it with a group of people who were having a homeland invented for them, to quote Newt Gingrich? Of course the Jews accepted the proposal; they were getting something. The Palestinians were losing something, actually having it stolen from them. There is no do-over in play here. And if you accept the fact that Britain was in a position to dictate policy to anyone, would you accept China dictating policy to America?

    • Larry says:

      John, interesting commentary. I agree that the Palestinian inhabitants were robbed and displaced. I feel for them but there are two things at play here. One thing is the factual definitive, the fact that Palestine was not a country/nation but an area and Israel as a nation was created with the worlds approval albeit not 100 percent. The second thing to deal with is the injustice that was forced upon the settlers/inhabitants of the Palestine area when they were forced out and lost their possessions.
      A similar argument can be used to describe many nations today and how they were conquered peoples at one time or another. The young nation of America displaced many peoples, Mexicans and Indians mostly.
      I guess the question I ask is since we all pretty much agree that a group of people were wronged in their forced displacement is was there ever any compensation? All the fighting that took place after the fact is a separate issue. Since we(world) agreed with Britain either implicitly or complicitly, we should find out who was robbed and compensate them. The other issues are emotional.

    • Miriam says:

      GOD gave Israel to the Jews. Never was their a Palestinian people, Yes, Arabs did lived in Palestine among the Jewish, however, that does not make Arabs Palestinians. Israel belongs to the Jewish People GODS gift to them.

      Let the Arabs go live in Jordan where they belong with their people. This is not about not having a home, this is about hating the Jewish people as they always have.

      Israel was given to the Jewish people by GOD what more do you need to know. Palestine is a place not a people, the people who call themselves Palestinians are ARABS and need to go home to JORDAN and beyond.

  • Bernard Ury says:

    Do the Arabs have a right to a land of their own? Yes, they do, just as do other ethnic or national groups. Matter of fact, there is not just one Arab land but 21 of them (not including Palestine), covering 5,120,000 square miles and home to 345,840,398 Arabs.

    Do the Jews have a right to a land of their own? Right now there is just one Jewish land — Israel — covering 8,000 square miles and home to 5,702,700 Jews (plus 1,423,500 Arabs). Seems proper that this little smidgen of land could be left to the Jews.

    If the Jews didn’t have Israel, where would they go for a land of their own? No where in the world.

    But if the Arabs in Palestine (the West Bank) had to leave — and so far no one is asking them to — they have a choice of 21 Arab lands to go to.

    Yes, there are all sorts of claims to homes, buildings, farms, businesses, etc. But who besides the Jews (and some friends here and there) thought that these was much of an issue when the Jews were virtually exterminated in Eastern Europe during World War II.

    The Jews said, “Yes, we share the land with the Arabs,” when the United Nations partitioned the land. But the Arabs (not just the Palestinians) said, “No,” and went to war with the Jews. The Arabs lost their chance then; they tried war again two more times and lost twice. Why can’t 345,840,398 Arabs live in peace and let 7,116,200 Israeli Jews live in peace, too?

    • Mohamed Wazit says:

      the torah CLEARLY states that Jews are forbidden to have their own state, but I guess I can understand that no one really respects their religion anymore(including me).

      So, to see why the Arabs hate the Jews, you have to look at what they have been taught ever since they were small. The Arabs are brainwashed and think all Jews are bad, just like how the KKK brainwashes their children saying those who aren’t white are inferior. That’s the nature of humans, we just do what we were told when we were kids.

      Just like how the south has many hate groups, so does the Arab world. You can’t really force them to change their minds, just like how the KKK will never change their minds.

      But besides the point, it doesn’t give Israel any rights to claim a part of land theirs. If you look through history, the Romans have talked about Palestine, and Palestine is even mentioned in the bible, do they not have rights to their own lands?

    • Ata says:

      There are just over 18 million Jews in the US. There are more Jews in America than any other country. The US donates and supports the Jews in everything or by the matter of fact the Jews run and own all America so why don’t we give them America? another 7 millions is nothing to US and they can in peace forever and America does not have to waste money by sending it to Israel. at least the Jews will pay the US taxes for once!!!

    • phillips says:

      How can you talk of a nation of Jews and then in the same breath talk about an Arab nation, surely the topic is over the Israeli encroachment of Palestinian land, The Brits in the 1820s offered farms to poor British people who ended up being in the frontline of the Xhosa tribes, Havnt the Israelis taken a leaf from the Brits and invited every poor eastern block Jew a home in the promised land …and put them in compounds (probably built with United States IN American $$s) on Palestinian land?

    • mrs real says:

      because arabs have an unreasonable innate hatred of jews….you have to live among both sides for a while to realise this but it is sadly true….let us not forget whose side the arabs of this area were on in WW2 – they were allied with the nazis….there are many muslim arabs happily living and working in israel – no one mentions this – who have a way better life and way better rights than the arabs living in the rest of the middle east…

    • Jonathan says:

      In reply to Mr. Mohamed Wazit below (some coding error or some such is preventing me from replying directly to his comment):

      The “Palestine” in Roman times was not the current Arab “Palestine.” It was simply a name given to another region the Romans conquered. It was a land inhabited mostly by Jews, as it had been for hundreds or thousands of years before, depending how you account for the years the Jews were in exile or under occupation from various foreign powers. The Romans called current-day France “Gaul,” old parts of Germany were called “Prussia…” so for that reason the only thing tying current-day Palestinians to Roman Palestine is the name. The land now called Israel and Palestine has been the ancestral home of the Jews for millenia, in addition to Arab families living there side-by-side with them over the years, at times peacefully (mostly before the invention of Islam). The vast majority of “Palestinians” today would have been considered something else entirely 100 years ago, much like “Jordanian,” “Syrian,” etc are all recent inventions due to the random border-drawing of the Ottomans, Britons, and French in the last few hundred years. Under the Ottomans they placed their allegiance with tribes and large extended families, not with nationalities. This can be easily seen in many of the current sectarian and ethnic tensions inside a number of Middle Eastern countries today.

    • Amaris says:

      @ Mohamed Wazit – The Torah does not state that the Jews are forbidden to have their own state. That is a belief held by a very small faction of radical, very religious Jews called the Neturei Karta who opposed the new political ideology of Zionism that was attempting to assert Jewish sovereignty in Ottoman-controlled Palestine. They resented the new arrivals, who were predominantly secular, and claimed that Jewish redemption could only be brought about by the Messiah. They brought forth this argument from a talmudic Midrash (legend).

    • msamer72 says:

      Impressive numbers but wrong logic Bernard!
      Let us see, I am a poor guy who can barely make it each month.
      If I break into Warren Buffet’s vault and get myself 1 million dollars of his 40+ Billions
      Hey I want to live on a sound financial ground! What would that make me?
      I guess a peace loving person who wants to live in peace with Mr. Buffet!?
      or would it simply make a thief who stole something that is not his?
      And if Mr. Buffet decide to fight me to get his Million dollars back,
      Would he be then considered evil person for not allowing me to share this tiny piece of cash?
      Come on Mr. Buffet it is only 1 million vs 40 Billion!
      See the slippery slope my friend I would not even go there….

      Note: All respect goes Mr. Buffet, I do admire every aspect of him and his success.

    • R Hawk says:

      Palestine does not mean Arab muslim. It was never a nation but territory and everyone seems to be forgetting the issue of Arab aggression and taking of the land by force and murder in the first place. The Brits were takes with overisight and control for a reason. The are hashemites and should go to their land of Jordan.

  • Lisa says:

    One definitive way to solve the conflict is to have the U.S. take over the area and annex it …then there would be separation of church (religion) and state and all nationalities\religions can live peacefully together pursuing their own faiths and freedoms governed by the same laws and restrictions. Religion has no business governing a country. It is a recipe for disaster as we have all seen in many Muslim countries ruled by improperly implemented Sharia law. If the Sharia law is followed in letter and in spirit, it is perhaps the most just system available, but any wrong doing makes it look very bad. Iran for example has a very strong Islamic philosophy and it really works well.

    • kim says:

      Why in the world would the U.S. take over Israel? Of all of the absurdities I have been reading here this one takes the cake. We have to stop looking at this from a historical perspective; that history has been wiped out and all these people have known, on both sides, is war. Sure if we look at the past still the only right answer would have been that that the land should have been purchased rather than taken by force; none tried that.

      The Israelis and Palestinians have been are still being used as pawns in a game that only a few understand they have both been betrayed and lied to often by the very people that they call allies. The U.S. uses Israel like a child as an excuse for its foreign policy that would otherwise be inexcusable and the Arab countries use the Palestinians as a buffer and a sideshow to hide the wrongs that they commit in the name of Islam.

      The leadership of all involved has succeeded in their mandates which is to let this land and its peoples as pawns to be brought out whenever it helps their separate but equally selfish agendas. Thus the peoples of this land must find a way to create a dialog among the lay people not withstanding the leaderships designs or opinions.

  • Steve says:

    Going back over a hundred years or so, it seems the Palestinians, who owned 97% of the land on which was called Palestine, accepted the Jew’s who lived there with them. The problems with the mass arrival of the displaced Jew’s, victims of the Nazi’s in WW2, compounded the problems with them forming the state of Israel. Had the West, ie. Europe and USA. accepted them instead of them going in droves to Palestine, the Palestinians would now be in a very stable country. The USA with small help from Europe, has transformed Israel into,probably, the most aggressive and war capable country in the Middle East. It is quite predictable, that unless Israel give back the Palestinians the land and homes they stole from them, ie.75% of the area, that nuclear weapon attacks will start from one or more southern Arabian countries within 20 years. Its a sad situation, and nothing now, can prevent a major conflict soon.

    • brui007 says:

      “palestinians, who owned 97% of the land” that would be a day, since for 400 years Ottoman Turks “owned” the land and did not recognize private ownership of land, except in the cases of royalty or nobility, or where land was granted like to Circassians or Albanians. Not to mention that 73 of British Mandate territory was given to Jordan and French created Syria, also gave them southern Lebanon, to which they never had a claim. So there you go, “palestinians” have the 90% of “palestine” split into 2 states of Jordan and Syria, and then a bonus of southern Lebanon I guess they don’t have a claim to Israel, West Bank or Gaza.

    • lilmac says:

      Palestine has never been a state. It’s historical name is Canaan which has been a part of Israel for over 4,000 yrs. No wonder there is so much fighting. No one over there knows the real history. There is no such nationality as Palestinians. The Romans gave them the name in the last century and they are a mixture of people. Israel has belonged to the Jews as long as civilization has existed, it was destroyed many times and the Jews had to flee so after WW2 the British gave Israel back to the Jews which has rightfully been theirs all along.

  • LukeNC says:

    Where could the Jews move to?

    I propose, therefore, that we dedicate sufficient BLM (Bureau of Land Management) land to form New Israel, and grant it special status as an independent territory. After a sufficient number of Israelis (and perhaps some American Jews) moved there, America could recognize it as a sovereign state. New Israel could either be a successor state to treaty and related obligations of Israel, or it could be a new state altogether, if some remnant of Old Israel survived.

    Move Israel to the US!

  • Rabeb says:

    When someone takes your home by force and lives in it as if it’s his own home, this seems to me, as a RATIONAL human being, unfair and inhuman. It’s is a matter of dignity and it has nothing to do with hatred. Can you accept to watch a stranger who kicked you out of your home enjoy living in it??

    • Jonathan says:

      “When someone takes your home by force and lives in it as if it’s his own home, this seems to me, as a RATIONAL human being, unfair and inhuman.”

      You mean how the Arabs did to the Jews after Islam was invented?

    • Samir. S says:

      @ Jonathan.

      no Jonathan, he/she means when the Jews took the lands of the Arabs at gun-point in the 1930′s-40′s and declared it their long lost country from 3000+ years ago. Islam is invented (by God) and we know it since 1400 years ago, not 3000+ years ago. before the Islamic conquest of Palestine, Palestine was under Byzantine rule and not the Jews.

    • Amaris says:

      The Jews took no ones land.

      The Arab governments told the Arabs to leave Israel while they wiped out the Jews when the Arabs attacked the newly proclaimed state of Israel.

      The Arab governments then told the Arabs they could go back into Israel and have any land and homes of the Jews that the Arabs wanted. Those Arabs who listened to the Arab governments and left the area, thinking they would return and reside in the Jews homes were stuck in refugee camps when the Arabs lost the war they started against the newly created Jewish state. The Arab governments refused to help those Arab refugees even though most of those refugees were in fact illegal immigrants who came into Israel from those surrounding Arab countries that attacked Israel.

      There has never been an official Palestinian state. There is no such thing as the Palestinian people. Those people, for the most part, are from the surrounding Arab countries. The Palestinians were created in a day by Yassir Arafat.

      The Arabs have lied about the whole thing.

    • Yannik Anglehart says:

      You could not said it any better! Israel have always been the land of the Jews even before King David. it is only 600 years after the death & resurrection of Jesus Christ that a new religion was started which is Islam. There were no Muslim before Muhammad’s birth and as a matter of fact they were never called Muslims. It is in the seventh century that the Arabs attacks Jerusalem and toke of over the city. To make a short story, Arabs stole the Jews land in 7th century until 1948 when the receive a part of their own land.

  • Rabeb says:

    Move Israel to the US since they are friends

  • Nur Nobi says:

    Palestine should be liberated because they were not born to shed blood only. What about the history of Israel? They have no sovereignty in this world, they are gypsies. They make the world full of blood. How will we, who love peace & work for peace remain silent ???!!!

    • Amaris says:

      There is no palestine. How many times have the arabs had a chance to create a palestinian state and turned it down? Several! What about the history of Israel? It goes way back to Avraham moving into Canaan and establishing his son Isaac in the land. The ancient Israelites were instructed by HaShem to get rid of the Canaanites and Philistines for their pagan practices of burning their children on alters to their gods, orgies, & temple prostitution.
      There has always been one Israel throughout history for the last 4500 years, unlike islamic countries of which we count 57 that were taken away from other nations in war and infltration in the last 1400 years since it was thought up in the minds of arab men. Since islam came on the scene, more people have been slaughtered by muslims claiming jihad. Jews never behaved as muslims do. Jews have always been persecuted and hated. Israel is their home, and you muslims are trying to take that away also. Isn’t it enough that muslims in islamic countries kicked Jews out and the Jews in Israel absorbed them at great cost. Why not the arabs absorb the arab refugees in the West Bank and Gaza? The arabs who call themselves palestinians came from those arab countries anyway. There were only a few who were actual residents of Israel, most were illegal immigrants who stole into Israel from the surrounding arab countries to get jobs from the Jews. Your government is lying to you. Your government is using you as a pawn to wipe out the Jews because of the age old hostility that started with Ishmael and escalated with muhammad. Arafat is the father of modern terrorism against Jews, you are not taught love and peace but hatred and violence against Jews. This is a fact!

  • US Christain says:

    Better than moving Israel to the us Lets make Israel a us state. So every time a missile is shot into Israel it can be considered a act of war on the us. And we can intervene.

    • Muslim4Life says:

      i totally agree….i am palestinian and ive been there. why cant we all just get along tho? have of the arabs there are scared of the jews and vice versa. War is not the key to peace.

    • Michael Herschel says:

      US CHRISTAIN,

      Please don’t bring Israel to us because it’s democracy is nothing like ours. Israel would not be a good state because half the stuff they do they wouldn’t be able to get away with.

      My philosophy is let Israel be the one to attack Iran and not bring us into it because sooner or later they need to learn to stand on their own two feet.

  • Luis Alvarez says:

    In a sense the world understands the Palestinian struggle but it’s time for the Palestinian leaders to step back and fully understand what’s against them and what’s for them. Leaders of the west and Israel will never give to Palestinians demands. So what Palestine needs to do is accept the land that is on their hands and stop all wars against Israel and concentrate on enriching that land and there people. Money is the power not religion not war. How much money has Palestinians loss in war with Israel? how many lives? This money could have bought you a government, Military and a foundation. to win a war you need a military Israel has a military Palestinians have rocks and that’s the reality. We all know not to bring a knife to a gunfight.

    • Applereddy says:

      Exactly! I was just in the Middle East and was asking the same question. Why aren’t Arabs investing into their own towns and cities? Why aren’t Arab countries sending money and resources into Palestine? It shows a picture of what the priority is. Not its people. That’s what I saw. Many Arabs were trying to work in Jerusalem–waiting in long lines to cross borders, when, jobs could be created by Arabs for Arabs in Arab towns. I know there is more to this picture then that but if they want their own state, shouldn’t they start building up whatever they have now. If they are depending on Israeli jobs and even medical support (yes, Palastinians can come to Israeli hospitals and recieve care) will they expect Israel to help them from afar if they get statehood?

  • william hoxsas says:

    this talk of isreal being ‘givin by god to the jews’ is annoying and means nothing to an athiest as my self who has no jew or arab friends
    its just history reapeating itself, when a more advanced people come across a less advanced one the weaker of the two will likely end up with a loss.
    ultimatly might is rite not morality and equality, unfortunatly. i guess we are still animals albeit very advanced ones.
    the very idea of calling this a war is false, it was never a war with the native americans just a straight up invasion, there prospects were bleak the day the new settlers arrived. The native ammeriacans never stood a chance, much like the palestinions dont today.
    its like putting a heavyweight boxer in the ring with a featherweight, its hardly a fight.
    isreal has not occupied a whole country with puppydogs and rainbows, it has done so with brute strenght.
    so.. good luck palestine because lets face it when ur fighting an occupation backed by the richest most powerful country on earth ur going to need it!

  • william hoxsas says:

    i also love the argument that Palestine acquired the land by conquest n therefore should see the irony of loosing it in the same way! it might be true but its not rite to punish a people for what there ancestors did over 1500 years ago!
    stop calling the guys getting there ass kicked the terrorists. its not fair its like Nazi propaganda in ww2
    ISRAEL STOP GOING ON ABOUT A 2000 YEAR OLD BOOK GIVING U RITES AND ADMIT THAT U ARE JUST BEING PRAGMATIC!

    • Nursanthy says:

      Shai, you’re right, it was Hizballah that fired Katyushas at Israel (tho in 2006, not 2007). That was an artiraebon and Israel retaliated so hard that Hizbullah hasn’t fired a single bullet at Israel in the five years since, and things are back to normal.

  • SIMSyQUEIPO says:

    Conditions for Palestinians are deplorable in the occupied territories because every day they are brutalized, tortured; their homes taken away or demolished; their olive trees uprooted… this is also not good for the perpetrators of such evil. That many Israelis together with Palestinians, share a fierce desire for peace helps, but it is not enough. No one needs to be a scholar, Biblical, historical, political, to understand how skewed the violence is or has been for decades. All that is needed is common sense, concern for the planet, and having a heart. The rule of law, international laws, human rights all remind individuals and groups; countries and the world that justice is for everyone. Laws meant to protect all go broken each and every day in the region and somehow it is not okay to debate, to inform, to speak out against bad behavior in Israel; to debate these circumstances as they come to light? This is not simply a matter of opinion. As more information that heretofore was censored emerges, more of us are learning about injustices perpetrated by the Israeli government and the retaliation of angry extremists whether Israeli or Palestinian. The occupation should stop so that the harm it causes can cease. Palestinians and Israelis can and should live in peace without war, harm, paranoia.

  • Feris says:

    As non-religious European, I have no personal experience with Jews or Arabs. Despite of remote position I think there are enough sources available for a broader impartial picture.

    Everywhere we have good and bad individuals within communities or nations, hence, which are better, is no issue at all. Conflict between Israel, Palestinian Arabs and the rest of Arab world has all elements of collective insanity triggered by malignant and orchestrated religious fanaticism, prevailing to one side.

    So defined side is incapable even to consider such possibility and remains convinced in their righteous cause, no matter what. Worldwide-polarized opinion only maintains such attitude, not to forget partial and other handy political and business interests.

    In spite of deep religious orientation, troubled sometimes with own orthodox fanatics, Israel remain modern, constitutional, secular technological society and typical representative of developed democracies. Arab world is pure contrast, with Palestinian Arab entity even worse. Incompatible as water and oil both has to dwell in one big vessel with same rights for existence.

    Religious fanaticism and obsolete tribal primitivism are primaries of Arab world. Explicitly opportunistic Palestinians irrationally maintain hatred to Israelis, at same time hastily ready to use benefits of more advanced civilization. Netanyahu could not express better, “if the Arabs lay down their arms there will be no more war, but if Israel lays down its weapons there would be no more Israel”. I believe even opponents of Israel are aware of this fact.

    Arabs have many countries with vast territories; Israel is one on very limited space. Israeli existence as Jewish state is in serious jeopardy by Arab extreme demographic expansion and paradoxical influx of other Arabs and black Africa opportunistic immigration waves.

    I am terrified from this same massive immigration purring in Europe almost freely, thanks to incredible ignorance off local governments and shortsighted EU policy in general. Europe is huge in comparison to Israel and I can only imagine how Israelis feel about common problem. It is common, as demographically expansive Islam is evidently hostile to white Christian civilization and that is almost undisputable.

    Naturally, my sympathies stick to Israel. Arabs and Islamic world have other values, much more worth of their attention, instead of sticking to religious fanaticism and archaic tribal retardedness.

    Disregarding all above, I am convinced that all mighty Mother Nature, as response to our global demographic imbalance, triggers most of our animosities, on deeper subconscious level. If there would be few of us on Earth, we would be very happy seeing each other, under any circumstances. It seams as Nature is signaling, kill yourself hastily, as I will reduce you my way, or stick your heads together and find way to balance your numbers and behavior.

    • Samir. S says:

      @ Feris; (“Netanyahu could not express better, “if the Arabs lay down their arms there will be no more war, but if Israel lays down its weapons there would be no more Israel”. I believe even opponents of Israel are aware of this fact.)

      Feris, your reply summarizes the entire anti-Arab discrimination which is based on ignorance, self-denied racism against Arabs and middle-eastern people including the Jews, but which is now simply the turn of the Arabs to hate instead. It’s people like you who committed and applauded the discrimination and then the Holocaust against the Jews in the 2nd world war, people like you and Netanyahu. Stressing on the Netanyahu quote, which you advertise vividly like a clown, it is noteworthy to know the fact that Palestine is a land more than 90% percent owned by Palestinian Arabs, which was rifle looted from them by their Jewish compatriots and the massive fire power immigration during and after ww2, beginning skirmishes in the thirties and went totally ransacking after 1940s. If you publish an encyclopedia of deceiving scenarios on the subject, the facts will always be unspoiled, declaring the incidence as the greatest theft-attempt of national property of the civilized world. If the Arabs lay down their weapons it means they don’t give a damn about their country and identity, if the thieves lay down their weapons it will be the end of the bloodiest theft raiding in history. This incidence later echoed massacres in Lebanon between the Palestinians and the Lebanese, which is the direct responsibility of the zionist movement as well.

    • Abu Ali says:

      Your comment reminds me of the crazy Norwegian neo-nazi who killed scores of his own fellow citizens, for insane hatred of all Muslims (stereotype!) and his so-called love of the Apartheid, ethnic cleansing-based, genocide oriented Zionist system imposed illegally on Palestine by the imperial Britain whose mandate was to bring the local population to independence, not to “give” their country to immigrants from Europe, helping them, arming them and leaving abruptly when they knew that their illegitimate child was ferocious enough to squash the Natives.
      The Zionist system has since showed that it was the last but worst colonialist version of European expansion, displaying multifaceted tools of oppression on the Native People of Palestine. The European AshkeNAZIs crazily twisted History and literally invented a strange hybrid concept, mixing religion with nationality and even race, just as the fascists did, to come up with an aggressive ideology whose declared goal is to rid Palestine of its inhabitants and uproot more or less adepts of the Noble Judaic religion from their respective homelands (135 nationalities, spreading from Russia, Eastern European countries, Western European countries to North Africans (one Million Moroccans were lured to leave their ancestral homeland through promises, lies, pressure and intimidation), to Black Africans (Ethiopians, Sudanese…), to Asians (India…), to even South America (Peru…) and the “recruitment” of potential victims of that exclusionist (only Jews or self declared Jews-as hundreds of Russian Christians- have rights and privileges, paid for with my tax billions of dollars, of course).
      Just like its former ally and twin brother Apartheid South Africa, the Zionist, oppressive, criminal, colonial system is on its way to its normal fate, despite the unlimited support of the former colonial powers and their offspring (another bastard child), the so-called “United- in aggressive oppression of the rest of the world- States, with the unlimited funding- despite our own economic hardship and the increasing numbers of homeless and poverty stricken people, its irrational protection and shield from accountability in the international forums and, of course ultimate factor of current sustainability so far, the providing of weapons of mass and massive destruction against dispossessed, economically deprived Native People of Palestine.
      You should be arrested wherever you are because you constitute a “present, clear and potential danger” for the people around you!

    • Zaf says:

      @Samir
      what on earth are you talking about. what skirmishes? i want to see references. Jewish Zionist settlement in Israel dates back to 1882. land was BOUGHT legally with money.
      you talk about ransacking ? name one event Jewish armies conquered land by force prior to 1948.
      do you even know that the UN proposal for splitting the land into Arab and Jewish state was accepted by the Jewish leadership but declined by the Arab and that’s about when the war of 1948 started? Arabs refused to negotiate, refused peace, they wanted the whole land and they lost the war.
      you talk about skirmishes, have you heard what happened during the British mandate? Arabs were the ones that were the ones attacking Jewish civilians. have you heard of the 1929 Palestine riots, the Jaffa riots, 1936–1939 Arab revolt in Palestine. Now, in retaliation some Jews attacked back civilians during that the time of Arab attacks, yes. i do not deny it but it was coming from a place of self defense. some thought that if Jews would retaliate in the same way as the Arabs attack Jews, this would prevent them from attacking Jews in the future. fact is, it was all retaliation for Arab brutally murdering random Jews throughout the land.

      set history aside. why isn’t there peace today? why Arafat declined barak’s offer in camp David in 2000 ? why Abbas declined ulmerts offer a couple of years ago ? what, 100% of the disputed territories (with swaps, 6.3% where there are more than 200,000 Israelis living there Israel would annex but would compensate with the same amount of land in another place) isn’t enough? east Jerusalem included, that not enough? what more do you want?

  • Gezza says:

    All this talk of my land your land our land their land. It goes on and on. This world has always existed. For millions of years man has lived on this tiny spot, dotted in an never ending universe. Earth two thirds water. Enough resources for Everyone. And yet…… Is it Israel or is it Palestine. What was it 3 Million years ago?. Exactly. In another 3 million years:? What then.

    • Camila says:

      (I Cor. 10:1) that the mbreems of the Corinthian church, which included both Jew and Gentiles, that they were brothers and that the forefathers were their forefathers. That means Abraham was the forefather of Gentiles through faith in Christ. Am I reading this correctly?

  • JILLIANE MELORIN says:

    please help me,we have a debate class and the motion is
    This house believes that there will be no peace in the middle east without the palestinian state..
    im in the government side and i find a hard time to prove our motion. tnx

    • US Christain says:

      We should all strive for peace in the middle east. But there will never be lasting peace there. If the tables were turned and Palestine had the army and all that Israeli has there would be no Israeli.

    • Hubert Schaab says:

      Dear Jilliane,

      In this forum I read so many falsehoods and misunderstandings about history. One of them: there has never been a “Palestinian people”. There was no Palestinian language, currency, national anthem, etc. etc. The name “(Syrian) Palaestina” was given to the land by the Romans after crushing the Jewish revolt(s) against them in 66-70, 116-117 and 132-135 AD. They massacred about a million Jews. Many (not all!) Jews fled and were dispersed over the world. Many foreign nations have ruled it since then: the Roman and Byzantine empires (before and after Christianity took over). The Muslims took Jerusalem in 637 and (with the exception of a short rule by the Crusaders) ruled the area since then, finally the Turks, until the British took over in 1917. All the time there was NEVER a Palestinian state, and the Arabs mostly called it Southern Syria. Not being able to destroy the Jewish state of Israel, the Arab states invented the “Palestinian struggle for Independence” (in the 1960s and 70s) to gain sympathy for their cause. But the Palestinian leaders never accepted their own state when they could get it (1947, 2000, 2008). Why? Because they do not want it beside Israel, but INSTEAD OF Israel.

  • sophia says:

    Many people have mentioned that Jews and Arabs lived peacefully amongst one another before the advent of Islam. I wonder why; both Judaism and Christianity have expanded throughout history, with each religion striving to be the only one. This began in the Early Common Era. When Islam became an established religion, there was no hatred between Jews and Muslims, in fact the Muslims have given sanctuary to them when no one else would. It is only once Islam began to prosper that the Jewish realised that this new religion and its teachings could influence more people than Judaism or the Torah ever could. The Jews then began to oppress the Muslims and since then there has been a mutual hatred between two religions which are ultimately and fundamentally so similar in their teachings and morals.

    For the Palestinians it is not about the amount of land they have because as many people have stated, there are other Arab states for them to occupy. However, if the Palestinians do stop fighting for what is right, they will be accepting the oppression from Israel and the Unites States.

    • kim says:

      Sophia – It is about the land and the right to exist peacefully. I don’t know here you are from but I am from the U.S. and land rights are the cornerstone of liberty. To simply kick someone out of their land would be considered an act of war for any U.S. citizen.

      You are also misinformed in your statement that “Jewish realised that this new religion and its teachings could influence more people than Judaism or the Torah ever could.”. The Jewish religion is not one that seeks conversion, as a matter of fact from all evidence that I have seen conversion isn’t truly possible since the religion and the bloodline are intertwined.

      You are however correct in your assessment that both the Jewish and Muslim peoples coexisted peacefully even harmoniously previous to the establishment of the state of Israel. Since the immigration of the Muslims to Medina, the Jewish people, while at times there leadership became hostile, were considered the answar, answar is a very powerful title that in simple terms means the helper but in its deeper meaning the title holds the person as a partner and supporter.

      The divisions that we now see between The Muslims and The Jewish people are not truly about religion or race but in fact have been manufactured by various leadership factions around the world. Therefore it is imperative for them open a dialog among the lay people despite the leadership because the sad truth is that Palestine is a buffer and excuse for all kinds of atrocities around the world.

    • Pamela Jones says:

      Israel is not oppressing anyone! The land is theirs, given to them by GOD as an inheritance FOREVER! If the Palestinians want their own land, they should go back to CRETE where they originally came from!

    • Manikuntal says:

      Correction to my previous comment- I meant to say that if Israel faced another existential crisis as it did in the waiting period before the Six Day War in 1967, I am sure that world Jewry WOULD rally to Israel’s defense, unlike what I wrote above.

  • Rita Amaral says:

    Okay, let’s see… so i agree that after the world war II the Jewish people had the right to have their own homeland, because it’s obvious that since they were expelled from Judea, it have been a chaos. But stealing the home of thousands of Palestinians it’s not right ether… So there is only one solution, Palestine and Israel together as one country, with representatives of both religions the make things better for both.. Killing each other is not the solution.

  • Zaf says:

    @Rita – Jews have the right for their homeland with or without the holocaust. Actually Zionism has NOTHING to do with the holocaust and the movement itself was created during the second half the 1800′s. Jews BOUGHT territories in Israel from local sheikhs and lords and built settlements there. This dates early as 1882, that’s 57 years before WW2. During all of this time Jews migrated back to their historic homeland where they were driven out of by the Assyrians, Persians, Romans, Arabs and crusaders. During the time of the roman rule on Israel, then called Judea, the Jews revolted against roman rule. the Romans crushed the rebellion, exiled many Jews out of the country, seized many of them and turned Jews into slaves deported to Rome among other places. Not only that, they changed the name of the land from provincia Judea to Palestine to humiliate the Jews. 600 years or so, arab-muslims imperialism spread throughout the Middle East from Arabia. Among other the Arabs conquered Judea/Palestine, killing many of the local Jewish population, converting many others into Islam. The story of how the Arabs got to Palestine is the story of conquest, imperialism and occupation.
    Back to 19-20th century, while Arabs had little to non interest in the land of Israel Jews bought land and settled there. After WW1 the international community gave the British a mandate over the land so that a Jewish state would be created in that land. The British had other things in their mind. The original mandate territory included what are today Israel, Gaza, west bank, Jordan and the Golan heights. The British had their own interest and divided that country up. They gave east of the mandate – Jordan, to the Hashemite – nowadays rulers of Jordan. They traded the Golan height with the French who ruled Syria for oil in Iraq. So after already separating the country into one Arab state, now they planned to do it again with the small territory left – Israel.
    Anyhow, in the meanwhile a conflict emerged over territory. Ok. The UN proposed a deal – lets split the remaining land of the British mandate (yes, split yet again) into an Arab state and a Jewish state. The Jewish leadership accepted the proposal. The Arab declined. And so the war began. a war in which the Arabs with armies from Egypt, Syria, Jordan, local militias of Arabs, and even help on a smaller scale from the armies of Iraq, Algeria, a Libya attacked the Jewish entity. Through luck, the Arabs lost that war. Many civilians fled their homes because of their leadership told them to. Some were panicked by rumors of brutality. Only in a few incidents force was used against civilians but in a very small scale. (I would like to remind the fact that during the war, Jewish settlements that were seized by Arab forces were runned to the ground – kfar etzion for example and the remaining population there killed).

    The truth is much more elaborated and complicated. The problem Israel faces is that it’s not as quick to explain the history of Israel that spans over 3000+ years as it is to lie. Lies are easier to spread, that’s a fact. what message could be broadcast better – what I just wrote (and it’s not even the complete story, I didn’t say anything about how Arab used terror since the beginning of the conflict, I didn’t mentioned that before Arab nationalism and Muslim radicalism took over Arabs were glad Jews are coming back to their homeland, providing an economic boost to the region, even king faisal was delighted.) or talking about Palestinian refugees without telling how and why they became refugees.

  • Zaf says:

    @Sophia what you’ve just said shows you have an amazing lack of knowledge and misinformation.
    unlike Islam and Christianity Judaism isn’t a faith that tends to spread itself to other people. to become a christian you have to be splashed with water. to become a Muslim you have to say one sentence. to become a Jew you have to undergo a process of learning the faith that can take more than a few years before you can become Jewish. even in ancient times, Judaism did not spread it self much.
    Islam was never tolerant to other religions. are you familiar with the story of Haibar ? Haibar is a place in arabia were Jews lived. the Jews of haibar were betrayed by their ally Muhammad. the Muslim Arabs sneak attacked those Jews, killing the men, and capturing the women and converting them.
    have you heard about the Jews of mashaad, iran? they were forced to convert to Islam or face death penalty. these events took place in the 7th century and the 19th century. Jews cannot have oppressed Muslims before the 7th century because the Muslim faith did not exist until 7th century. and after that they Muslim conquered all of the middle east and controlled the area from Morocco to Persia, converting the local population and absorbing them into the Arab culture. so in one hand we a have an imperialist Arab-muslim movement, a huge empire, very strong one. on the other hand we have some local population of Jews throughout the middle east. you claim that the Jews oppressed the ones that rule them? do you even realize how absurd your claims are? your lack of knowledge is frighting.

    • Moody says:

      Your lack of knowledge is frightening, If you get your facts right, it was the Jews of Khybar that betrayed the Muslims and they did not do this before or after a battle but during a battle even after a treaty was signed with all parties. If you look at any law, this is called treason and even by today’s standards treason in some western countries is punished by death. So i suggest that you get your facts right before making claims, which are based on your own biased opinions. As a believer in God, i believe that this conflict is not a religious conflict and highlights the problem with mankind.

    • Irony Detected says:

      @ZAF what you’ve just said shows you have an amazing lack of knowledge and misinformation.

      Explain Spain under in its Muslim era? If you weren’t a Muslim all you had to do was pay a tax. If you paid said tax you never had to do the things required of a Muslim. You had less responsibility. Also explain the deteriorating state of Palestine? I guess you don’t see it if you close your eyes.
      Case and point:

      Zionist Plans for Palestine

      Looks like those poor Jews are taking a beating… wait a minute.

  • bill says:

    This is a great topic and should be discussed at length everywhere. Fact is people have been migrating and taking land from others since the begining of time. England, Spain, Italy and the United States, just to name a few, were masters at it. POWER is the word you should be using here and Israel has it. It is not about God’s promise and never was. The Hebrew’s and Jew’s left the area for many different reasons. And they return for many different reasons. True, the UN could have handled it better. After WWII few countries wanted refugees. So most, collectively agreed with the UN to create the new state of Israel. It caused many problems. Israel maintains power because of 60 years of US backing. World opinion of Israel’s treatment of the Palestinians is causing this to change. Israel Claims a Parlimentary Democracy. But wants the Palestinians to recognize it as a Jewish state. This is not true democracy. The only way peace is going to come about is to allow Palestinian citizenship and free elections. Israel may be in charge now but remember “You reap what you sow”.

  • hatehitler says:

    Looks like BDS is getting stronger, and yet they, and other’s ‘for’ the Palestinians, never ever mention the violence against the Israelis. Why is that? HH.

  • Martha G says:

    “fakestinians”FAKESTINIANS:

    FAKE “NATION”

    When you search on google for “fakestinians” Google asks you ‘Did you mean palestinians’?
    The reason is because Arab “palestinians” who are mostly immigrants’ grandchildren, are a made-up (invented) “nation,” founded by Arab racism to delegitimize Jews’ return to its historic homeland.

    SELF-INFLICTION / ORCHETRATING SELF-”MASSACRES”

    Second. Its cult of fake victimhood. Starting with its self-infliced Naqba, and their constant use of civilians to cause their deaths in order to tarnish humane IDF Zionists (who go to great length in avoiding collateral damage, including notifications to residents ahead of an anti-terror op. to evacuate), they call these outcomes as “massacres.”

    FABRICATING “INFO”

    Just as they fabricate pictures, they fabricate “stories.” [Search 'Pallywood'] You can never take an Arab-Palestine/ Islamic Hezbollah as a reliable source. I’d take an Israeli source –a society which is one of the most self-criticized–over most systems around the globe.

  • Liz H. says:

    Can you please kindly explain why my comment was not published? Thank you.

  • Josephina says:

    Just because Arab-Muslim ‘Palestinians’ use their civilians population to cause their deaths in order to tarnish Israel’s name, does not make them a “victim.”

    Remind me again “Palestinian” motto: Today the Saturday people, tomorrow the Sunday people.

    The root of the Arab Vs Israel conflict is both forms of bigotry, ethnic Arab racism and religious Islamic bigotry.

    What motivates Israel (the 100% democratic, mostly secular country, where Arab enjoy preferential treatment in affirmative action, and where most of its laws’ origins date back to British Mandate and Ottomans) is pure survival, against the Arab-Islamic genocide campaign that began in Hebron 1929.

  • Thomas says:

    Firts of all and most important – I dont need to care about relligion, but I care about the people… Im from Poland country where we suffer same as Jews, my grandfathers tried to help them during the World War II risking their lives. If they only could see right now what`s going on in Palestine…

    Today Western Civ. controls the Middle East, and with their support Israel doin a good bussines, like they used to do.
    They called themselves religious, so with my grandfathers support ( I think I can say that cause I knew them well ) I wish you to BURN IN YOUR JEWISH HELL !!!

  • Haley says:

    So glad to see some debate. I was laughing as I read some of this information.

    Even if it is accurate, it is still biased. You have to tell both sides of a fight to allow readers to get a real feel for the conflict.

    There was no discussion in the article I read of Israeli terrorist attacks on Palestinians, the forced Exodus, and the nature in which Israel took the land.

    I’m disgusting by the out right disregard for the Palestinian side. This site is just proof that the victors can write history.
    And how dare the authors of this site use “Palestinian facts”, it should be “Zionist BS” instead.

    People claim that the PLO teaches hatred of Jews to Palestinian children, I think it is clear that the Jewish propagate hatred of Palestinians just as well.

    • Mike says:

      Haley there is an entire article under “Independent Israel” on israeli atrocities against palestinians. You really should actually try to read things before making conclusions! This site, unlike palestinian websites, actually ACKNOWLEDGES atrocities of BOTH sides.

    • peter says:

      thats right were told JEW JEW throughout the media this is zionism!!!!! As you say about Israel propagate theres some horrific educational videos for children filled lies and hatred from many years ago and we must remember Judaism and Israel are seperate they are a contradiction in definition. MUST KEEP FAITH THE WORLD WILL SEE!!!!!!! Lets make it FREE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! no more power all be free

  • Liz H. says:

    Not that one, the previous one. You know, the substantial, explicated one? An answer would at least be courteous!

    • admin says:

      Hi Liz

      Please send in, the comment again and we will publish it if it falls within our guidelines.

  • Simon Purestone says:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pNCV33i9Caw
    (Video) Al-Husseini-grandson, Muslim-Brother, PLO-Chief and bearer of the Nobel Prize of Peace1994 Yassir Arafat on 21 October 1998 on the occasion of a inner-palestine meeting::

    “We know only one word: Dschihad, Dschihad, Dschihad, Dschihad!”

    So, of course, the peace negotiations of 2000 couldn’t be successful… Or: Arafat’s pure Taqiyya – outwardly!

  • Liz H. says:

    Ok. Also, I am simply curious (for future reference) what are your guidelines?

    • admin says:

      Hi Liz

      We only publish comments that add value to the discussion. We edit only for spelling mistakes. As long as there is no racism and hate incited comments, they are published.

    • Blake says:

      No you don’t you cannot stand the facts from published Israeli historians like Hillel Cohen, Ilan Pappe, Avil Shlaim, Simha Flapan, Benny Morris even and yet you print ghastly hate filled rants against Muslims seen all over the net infested with dire Israeli propagandists with very little grey matter. I won’t even go into international law and waste anymore time on your twobit propaganda site

    • Liz H. says:

      really, Sara? because I’d say that applies to 95% of the comments on this site.

  • admin says:

    Just discovered the Palestine facts site. It looks like an excellent resource – well done to all concerned

    I’m writing an article at the moment on the Temple Mount. I’m trying to understand the history of why the Arabs still have authority (the Waqf). My understanding is that it dates back to a British decision during the Mandate

    Can you shed any light on this ?

    Kindest regards

    Neil Turner

  • john paul gettelman says:

    What about the Arab Empire? How can people preach about imperial conquest,racism, and Palestine natives without talking about the Arab Empire? Are Palestine natives Palestine Arabs? Are Palestine Arabs part of the sons of the Arab Empire or not? How do sons of the Arab Empire become Palestine natives? Sounds like a riddle? How do Palestine Arab sons of the Arab Empire become Palestine victims? The leading spokesmen of Palestine Arabs never clearly state how Palestine Arab sons of the Arab Empire have the right to claim to be Palestine natives while calling Judaean Hebrew Israelis imperial invaders?Are Palestine Arabs Palestine displaced? Are the Sons of the Arab Empire Palestine exiles? Are Palestine Arab sons of Arab imperial supremacy Palestine uprooted? What about the Palestine Arab sons of Arab imperial conquest?

  • john paul gettelman says:

    Speaking of Palestine Arab sons of the Arab Empire,how about Sudan Arab sons of the Arab Empire? What about Darfur Black African Islamic non Arab victims of Sudan Arab sons of the Arab Empire? To help connect the dots,how about Syrian and Iraqi Arab sons of the Arab Empire war on Kurdish Islamic non Arabs?To extend the question,How about the Arab imperial partners in Iran and Turkey and their war on Kurds, Assyrians Armenians,Baluchis and anybody else in their way? Speaking of Arab imperial invaders,how about the Coptic Egyptic language and it’s speakers of this last remnant of the classical Egyptian language? Notice a pattern yet? How about the Western Sudanic ,in Arabic Black African, state of Mauritania? Like the east African Sudan Arab republic Mauritania is a Black majority country ruled by an Arab minority.Correction update, the east African Sudan Arab republic is now cut down from it’s Black majoity staus to about half and half African Black Islamic non Arabs and The sons of the Arab Empire. This is due to the peace accord that end Arab minority rule over a Sudan African Black majority.Let’s remember Sudan Arabist war on south Sudan Christian and African social life. While sons of Arab imperial invaders waged war on South Sudan Africans Darfur was inflamed. Remember Darfur Sudan African Black Islamic non Arabs.There are many Sudan African Black Islamic non Arabs in the Sudan Arab republic. Nubia was cut in half by the Arab republics of Egypt and Sudan. Egyptian Arab Socialist nationalist dictator,Gamal Abdal Nasser, flooded Nubian country on the Nile river.The Egyptian Arab sons of the Arab Empire drowned Black African Nubian Islamic non Arabs country for the greater Arab nation.Look up Aswan dam and Lake Nasser. Meanwhile,back in the Sudan Arab state other Nile-Sahara Black African Islamic non Arabs were under attack by Sudan Arab sons of the Arab Empire.Darfur was one such case. Nubas were another.This is reflected in the West African Sudan Black African Islamic nonArabs of Mauritania.Here an African Black Islamic non Arab majority is still ruled by an Arab minority claiming patrilineage from Arabia. Two major Black African Islamic non Arab ethnic lineages populate The Arab state of Maritania. Fulani language speakers and other African neighbors of Fulanis,Bambaras,Wolof and Tukolur are French educated Islamic non Arabs.These African Islamic non Arabs are akin to Senegalese and Fulanis have kin accross the whole Sudan Black African zone from Maueitania in west Africa to cental Africa,bordering Darfur.in the east African Sudan Arab republic.The other major African Black Islamic Non Arabs of Mauritasnia are simply known as Sudanis or Blacks in Arabic,in contrast to bidanis or white Arabs.Sudani Black Mauritanians are further divided into abeed or slaves and Haratin or serf ex slaves. Both slaves and serfs speak Arabic in contrast to the Fulanis and other French speaking African Black Islamic non Arabs.This is only the social ethnic lineage of the African Black Islamic non Arab majority of Mauritania.Food for thought for answers to questions of Arabist imperial grand sons of the Arab Empire.What is the connection of the Palestine Arab,Sudan Arab and Mauritanian Arab sons of the Arab Empire? What kinds of human rights are expected for Blsck African Islamic non Arabs ? Whe haven’t even touched on the Berber African Islamic non Arabs under occupation by the sons of Arab imperial conquest over north Africa.

  • Poopanator says:

    I think we should just fight aliens and NOT eachother. It is ridiculous we are fighting among ourselves when another much more powerful force is coming to destroy all of us come on guys

  • Freddy says:

    I found this website very helpful. I believe all these facts were truthful. I think that Palestine should be it’s own country.

  • Soce says:

    Behind all this is a family called ROTHSCHILD. They are well known as bankers across the world. They created and own modern Israel and control American’s political system. They funded both sides of WW1 and WW2. America also fund Israel’s War machines. BTW, they make huge money off wars. They are money and power hungry people who will do anything until they get what they want and that is to be able to control the whole world. Their agenda lines up with illuminiati’s, so together they are pursuing this and have been for centeries. They are behind what’s happened to Palestine and it’s people. A majority of human population across the world don’t know about the struggle that Palestine people have been through the past 70 to 80 years or so.. Its never gained great media attention because Rothschild owns majority of main media outlets across the world.. think about it, if it were two completley different countries with one having driving out people of another land using war machines and propaganda.. taking land that is not theirs.. news of it would hit the media liek crazy on day one and everyone who has a heart would go on a frenzy about it because it’s just not right!! and eventually other countries would of intervened.. why hasn’t america or other powerful countries intervened? because Israel or should I say ROTHSCHILD have control over it all!! They wanted Palestine because they had great business interests in the far east and desired their own state in that area along with their own military which they could use as an aggressor to any state that threatened there interests! Everyone is looking at Britain, yes.. they had no right but they made a deal with America which costed the Palestine people greatly.. all because Rothschild do not care for the people not even people of there own. They call themselves Jews but are really Khazars (Azkanazi Jews)! Also, they are all Zionists! For those that read this, research Rothschild.. you would be shocked! I honestly do not know how these people can sleep at night, I really dontt! Open your mind up, and see the bigger picture here!

  • john says:

    iz america not seeing the terrorism of israel ….,shame on its work

  • chong lee says:

    I find the palastines whinning to be quite humorious.

    War is the ultimate form of politics.

    If you fight a war and lose you lose the arguement. Palastines as a people are bunch of parastie.
    Muslim society in whole in last 300 years failed. As people they have failed

    In last 300 years they have not advance the human race in any form what so ever.

    Currently there is nothing that comes from any mulsim coutry besides natural resoruces that are any use
    to the human race. They do not produce anything of value, they do not advance anything of value.

    Their poverty rate is absoulty astounding when you consider all their advantages in natural resource (OIL) .
    As a wealth creater.

    Tell us why they Palastines DESERVE a country, what right what worth do they offer the world.

    • Emir Bachir says:

      Well chong lee. At this rate you’d have no problem if Germany or France or any other rich western country were to expropriate some poor African country like say the Congo… and just kick its people out… those poor good for nothings… what has the Congo done for me lately? Hey, I think you are on to something chong lee; only thing is you’ll have to take it up with the UN and the rest of international community since it goes right against all established international law. But that is no reason to give up… you can march on down to the UN and get that fixed ASAP. Good luck! ;)

    • Obry says:

      One day you’ll regret saying this. Just remember I said this.

  • Someone says:

    I can find many flaws in the reasoning of the Palestinians. Let me just state a couple of FACTS (unlike the “facts” in this website): 80% of the population of Jordan is “Palestinian” – this is more than the percentage of Jews in Israel. Contrary to popular belief, the land of Israel was not inhabited by “Palestinians” for centuries. The land of Israel, according to many sources (including one written by Mark Twain on his visit to Israel), was desolated and uninhabited. This is the quote by Mark Twain in 1867:

    “Palestine sits in sackcloth and ashes. Over it broods the spell of a curse that has withered its fields and fettered its energies… Palestine is desolate and unlovely… It is a hopeless, dreary, heartbroken land. A desolate country whose soil is rich enough, but is given over wholly to weeds – a silent mournful expanse… A desolation is here that not even imagination can grace with the pomp of life and action… We never saw a human being on the whole route… There was hardly a tree or a shrub anywhere. Even the olive and the cactus, those fast friends of the worthless soil, had almost deserted the country.”

    This is why the original Zionists’ motto was “A land without a people for a people without a land”. The fact is, when the Zionists immigration started, many Arabs from Arab countries started coming to Israel as well in order to look for jobs (this mass immigration made Israel all of a sudden much more populated and so it had many more job opportunities). This is why so many “Palestinians” have names such as Iraqi (coming from Iraq), Misri (“Misr” meaning Egypt in Arabic, thus coming from Egypt), and other names that indicate their true origins. This is also why no Palestinian can tell you of any Palestinian leader before Yasser Arafat and why, in all history, there is no record of a group of people by the name of “Palestine” ever existing (except for this very recent hoax). In fact, the Israelis who were in Israel before its founding in 1948 were often referred to as “Palestinians” since this is what this land has been called by the Romans after they expelled the Jews from Israel. The modern day “Palestinians” have no relation with the biblical Philistines. The word Philistine comes from the Hebrew word “palash” which means to invade. The ancient Jews thus decided to call the invaders “Philistines”. Those Philistines, in fact, were not even Arabs and they came from the areas of modern day Greece and Cyprus (the “Sea People” were among them).

    I really hope that this comment gets published and that someone out there takes the time to read it. This is pretty much all you need to know about the origin of the problem.

  • Arun Gh. says:

    This land belongs to the JEWS, Palestinian never existed, and never will. Let the Arab live anywhere in their other 22 countries.

    • KIBERU HAMID says:

      Even the jews know that that land belongs to parestinian all in time will come

    • pho says:

      It will soon be 23, actually. After the State of Palestine is recongised by the General Assembly in November.

    • Doomed says:

      It did maybe 3000 or so years ago. But it’s now 2012.

      As most of the Israel Jews were European and we get this whole “to the victor the spoils” nonsense. (yep very civilized thinking that) wouldn’t it of made more sense to of given them Germany back in the 40′s???

      That is the land they were born and raised in, that is the land they were murdered over, that is the land the were made to leave.
      THAT is/was their home.

      I pity the human race. As long as we have such minded individuals as yourself to deal with, this world will never know peace.

    • CJ says:

      For thousands of years the land of Israel lay in ruin. Undeveloped, no industry, sheep farmers, no oil, etc. In 1948 when Jews were reinstated, not transplanted as some ignorant person referred above, the land began to blossom. Only with coming wealth did the land of Israel become more and more of interest to the Arabs who suffer from chronic infighting, economic mismanagement and growth in personal wealth at the top by ensuring the world has ample greenhouse gases. For those illiterates who right here it is a historical fact that the Jews were expelled from the land of Israel by, among others, the Romans, your Christian predecessors. Anyone who disputes this is blind or chooses to be blind. So for all of you that dislike Jews and Israelis for whatever reason, whether you call it anti-Semitic, ignorant or whatever, the land belongs to Jews and it is the so called Palestinians who have a claim to it that is based not in fact but in journalism. With all their resources, with all their history, with all their financial power and wealth, the Arab nations have individually (except in the case of a few Gulf states) shown themselves time and again as being incapable of governing themselves without wars, massacres, infighting, suicide bombing themselves and blaming every else for their problems. And now these nut bars in Iran will control the nuclear switch and who will they point it at? Has one blogger here pointed a wagging finger at Iran, Hizbullah, Fatah and Hamas’ constant barrage of existential threats not just towards Israel but Jews anywhere. They have stated publicly that Jews anywhere are military targets of these devil re-incarnates wherever they are. Regardless of their so called reasons and justifications they threaten to annihilate Jews anywhere (India, Argentina, Hungary). Tourists, kids. You godless writers here have the nerve to gloss over those events and not even wave your fingers at the perpetrators. So if that’s not Jew hating bold faced antisemitism them I am not sure what is. So I hope you can some how find it in your warped brains polluted with hatred, that for all of you mourn for the Palestinians that perhaps you take a moment to consider the hypocrisy and absurdity of your positions. You cannot mask the hatred. You cannot hid your evil.

    • CJ says:

      Well said.

  • Hello says:

    Clearly there is hatred from both sides due to historical events, but haven’t both sides figured out that, war isn’t the solution to matter like theses. In fact, both religions state that, bloodshed isn’t the way to progress in matters like these. So why continue to fight. Why can’t either of the sides just find an fair solution. Obviously this isn’t going to happen because both sides are blinded with hate.

    However, I would point the finger at Isreal as they can control this situation if they wish since they are the stronger nation. They could end the attacks on Palestine and Palestine will respond without violence.

  • Uriel says:

    Anti-Zionism is Anti-Semitism.
    Anti-Zionism is Anti-Christian.
    Anti-Zionism is Anti-Israel.
    Anti-Zionism is Anti-Jew.

    If any Christian can show me in the NEW TESTAMENT WHERE THE LAND IS EVER CALLED PALESTINE.
    With Book, Chapter & Verses.

    Even the Koran states, the Land belongs to the Children of Israel, an no mention at all of Palestine.

    You have Hezballah & Hamas killing each other off in Gaza & West Bank at each others throats like Dogs

  • peter says:

    Theres key points that must be remembered. That how Israel was created, by acts just malice as the ones used to justify the persecution that has taken place since this states creation. Secondly the area now known as Israel and Palestine has been populated by Jews and Arabs for well millenia and on the whole theyve got on quite nicely. That land has always been accessible to Jews and i do believe it is against the Jewish faith for them to have a ‘homeland’? Which would explain the large anti Israel Jewish community, Im not anti semetic but Israel is just plain wrong if anything to be pro israel is anti semetic and this all part of something much bigger.

  • Emil Berlendy says:

    i have read the bible now for 32 years pretty steadily,i know enough to read into alot of truth and lies i dont want to say to much but all i know is what i read in the bible and not just 1 bible,king james the secret teachings of jesus gnostic gospels,the marion bible from the vatican different things were said but all pointing to the same people the jewish people god is not pleased with most of the Jews but not pleased with other countrys but not the most, to be the chosen to teach other people the truth,they failed,the whole truth will be revealed as each day goesby each year.

  • D.Richard Paul says:

    It is not the no of persons that decide about the ownership of a country. But we have to sincerely study the background of the country and its previous history which is more important. Now when we read the bible we do find some peculiar tribes born out of illegal contacts on the inducement of satan. The satan did so only to have for himself people on this earth that God created to be his worshipers. But God created man to worship and praise Him for He is a Lord living among the praises. Rev 4th chapter which explains about the scene of heaven clearly shows a picture where the Cherabims and the elders and all the host of angels are praising him eternally. Let us studyi some of the tribes that were born to praise satan and how they exist now.
    The Bible says that Abraham had a concubine named Kethura (Genesis 25:1&2) Out of this concubine the meddianites came into being who worked against GoD and His people. The tribes born out of the illegal contacgt of the daughters of Lor were Moabites and the Amonites (Genesis 19:36-38). But regarding the caananites we see that Canaan was born to Cam who was the son of Noah (Genesis 10:13) There were many unblessed tribes that arose from canaan. The list of the tribes that arose out of canaan are mentioned in Genesis Chapter 10. All these were called as Canaanites and they settled in the present Palastein including the land of Canaan which the Lord had earmarked for His people the Israelites and the Jews. The other tribes who worked against God like the decendants of Wsa called as he Edomites (Genesis 36:1) settled in the mountain Seir adjustant to the red sea. Edom means red and theseir mountains are red in colour. Red represents sin (Isaiah 1:18). Antichrist and the whore satan is also in red colour. (Rev 17:3). When God led the Jews from Egypt to the land of Canan the propmised land it was all these tribes that serve satan raised against God and His people. It was God’s mighty hand that led them (Joshua 24:6-13) But since hey sinned the Lord had made them slave for 70 years However it was God’s mercy tht thdy were released on the 1st year King Cyrus. The Canaanites and the other tribes except the Edomites adopted the religion of Islam. The Main tribe Ismael and his descendants. Ishmael was born of the servant maid called Hagar through Abraham. God did acknowledge Ishmael to be the son of Abraham for in Chapter 24 of Genesis God said to Abraham that he should take his one and only son Isaac to the mountain Moria and sacrifice him. All these people who ollowed satan joined hands and adopted Islam as their religion after AD 625 and and Mohammed Nabi instead of guiding teh people of repentence and to submit to the true God had interpreted the bible controversially stating that It was Ismael that God commanded to be sacrificed. Almost all teh verses of the koran was taken from the Bible and twisted in the opposite manner thus creating a religion to worship satan and not God. and God had already told that such a thing will occur in Daniel 7:25. In the last days Anti christ will araise from among them. As the Bible had prophecised now JErusalem has been given to the Jews in the year 1948 (Isaiah 11:11&12) and the walls and the city is being rebuilt (Daniel 9:25) The Bible has predicted that the Jerusalem Temple will be rebuilt and a the Powerful word of God will pass throughout the world. The whole world will come over to Jerusalem to seel the Lord God seated in the Temple of Jerusalem,.(Micha 4:1&2). But however the satan will conquer the city of Jerusalem and occupy the temple for 3 1/2 years and he will be seated in the place where God the Lord was seated and pose himself as God. This what Daniel said as the “abomination of dessolation ” in Daniel 11:31, which Jesus referred in Mathew 24:15. It is then that Jesus will descend from the heaven in a white throne and destroy all the tribes of satan and satan will also be destroyed and then He will judge the world Rev 19,20th chapters. Then He sill destroy this world with fire (II Peter3:6&7) remove it from its orbit and create a new heaven and earth (Rev:21&22) and establish His kingdom where the saved will be accomodated. The tribes of the satan will be cast into the previous earth the lake of fire where they will be tormented for ever and ever(Rev 20:15) So it is time we submit ourselves to the Lord our God and live with Jesus for ever and ever in Heaven. Now is the time to repent. Otherwise the Lake of fire is kept ready. God’s word will surely be fulfilled as it has been happening all these days. Brothers and sisters awake think read the Bible and change for now is the time of mercy.

  • Emir Bachir says:

    First, sad that anyone should use this site as a real source of facts; second, I see what might appear as both pro-Israeli and pro-Palestinian bunk. Example of the latter:
    “The justification of Jews, that they claim the land because it belonged to them 3,300 years ago and was lost in the war, is absurd”

    For those who are really looking for facts, look elsewhere. ;)

    Full disclosure: I myself am Palestinian; I try to be understanding of Israelis but find Zionism as such abhorent; for the facts, you might start with Israeli historians such as Benny Morris and Elan Pappe. If you are looking for propaganda keep listening to the news ;)

  • sara says:

    THIS IS PALESTINE NOT ISRAEL ! I AM AN ARAB PALESTINIAN AND THIS IS PALESTINE !! AND WILL ALWAYS BE ! YOU GUYS KNOW NOTHING TO SAY THAT THATS NOT PALESTINE ! obviously i’m soo angry by all the non sense your saying is IS PALESTINE and will ALWAYS BE ! put that in mind ;) one .. just ONE DAY you’ll see the truth with regrets of what your saying right now.

  • Raul Mejía says:

    Palestine will be Free!
    Palestina Libre carajo!
    Support from Latin America Palestine!

  • mike usa says:

    How did Muslims obtain the land? Through jihad. So stop whining about the Jews taking it back. If I’m not mistaken, its Muslims who are demand land all over the world. Muslims still think that Spain is rightfully theirs. Stop being hypocrites. It was Jewish land before Islam even existed.

  • Genii says:

    What will happen to the Jews in Palestine when the world is tired of feeding them and putting up with their lies? Where will they go?

  • claudin says:

    I’m Tlingit. An Alaska Native. Five hundred years ago another people landed on the shores far to the southeast and swept across this continent. They formed a country where there had been a people already. Today, were I reinstated by, say, China, as the original GOD GIVEN “owner” of this land, who would you here on this site support? How would the behaviors of my people towards the current ancestors of FIVE HUNDRED generations of people affect your view of my rights? This is not complicated. It is a simple matter of compassion, as are all such matters. There is no such thing as rights…we humans made that up. Get a grip on your sense of entitlement and greed and look beyond the minutia of how so very important we all are. Now look at today. What is the behavior of those in the area of conflict today? Do you support these behaviors?

  • Engr. Md. Altaf Hossain says:

    To be studied

  • Phil Pitman says:

    Would it be true to say that Palastine is the worlds largest refugee camp?

  • Helen says:

    I get very scared when I read that people get their facts from watching documentaries on Al Jezeera. Sheesh. And you are worried about Jewish propaganda! What do you think Al Jazeera is? Do you know how many times it is shown on Al Jazeera Palestinians burying their children supposedly killed by IDF, only to be exposed by the IDF as dolls wrapped in sheaths and buried in the ground to capture the media’s attention. And if this website was sponsored by Muslims you can bet any opposing opinions would not be posted here-at least Jews believe in democracy even when you Al Jazeera quoting “intellects” obviously have no unbiased facts to base your own arguments on. If Israel became a Muslim country it would only be a matter of time before your churches were destroyed, your holy town of Bethlehem off limits and you would all be forced to wear burkas and keep your daughters from going to school unless she came from a very rich and influential family. That is a fact. Look at every Muslim country to date.

    • Obry says:

      How the hell do explain my family living in Palestine being bombed night after night? Oh I guess I didn’t know they were all just dolls. I’m sorry. I’ll be sure to take your say in what is happening there as opposed to Al Jazeera. You’re obviously a much better source that says Al Jazeera gives biased news because its made of Muslims. Well then I’m guessing you wouldn’t be biased at all seeing that you totally didn’t over look the fact that Palestine is the worlds largest refugee camp. Or wait, are they all just dolls too? Obviously if it’s the world’s largest refugee camp, there’s obviously something going on there. Ohh and what are you trying to say about Muslims?!!! Oh stupid people like are the funniest people around. Haha! I still can’t stop laughing about your stupid idea of dolls being buried. You’re so funny.

  • Helen says:

    And I really liked your commentary @Someone.

  • Marc says:

    What needs to be understood is that The Land of Israel always was, that is why Moses parted the Red Sea to bring the Israelites back home. It wasn’t called the land of Palestine however. They can’t even get along and have or get out of their own way, a unified front on any issue except eradication of Israel, which is a mandate for war on all levels. They start the crap and then stand back puzzled because there is a response. they look for sympathy but take no responsibility for their actions at all, which forced the responses.

  • Doomed says:

    Hey god just visited me and said I own the Earth and everyone has to do as I say.

    Now you just have to take my word for it ok? So hand it all over or he will be pissed with you.

    Sounds stupid in this day and age doesn’t it?
    Nobody would accept Caspar the ghost as an excuse for my actions would they?
    It’s 2012, we have science and such now, when has god shown up and announced to the world he is indeed given this or that to anyone????
    Oh a few thousand years ago and only with someones say so.

    We all have to live on this rock, nations, borders and dare I say it religion are man made things. Remove the oceans and you’ll see all the continents are joined underneath. That we all breathe the same air and drink the same water that has been drank and pissed back out for millions of years by humans of all walks of life and the animals we share the world with.

    I mean god? Which one? Ganesh, Allah, Yewah, God, Ra…….etc etc.
    From the civilized people of the world living in the present and not in biblical times, please cut this crap out, we’re getting tired of dealing with your petty wars and nonsense that have gone on for thousands of years over who “friendly ghost” is the best.
    Men now travel to space, no god has stepped forward and made themselves known. It’s time to get along, because again, those dictated by logic and common sense are really sick of the bullshit from both sides.

    Facts? The only fact is we’re all humans, and we all have to live here. What harms us harms others, so if we do not like something done to us, don’t do it to others. Those are the only facts we need.
    If the nations cannot get it together themselves, the rest of the civilized world should just cut off ties and let them wipe each other out once and for all.
    Stop dragging dragging the rest us into your stupid illogical fights.

    • Doomed says:

      What’s even sillier with the god argument is that Jews, Muslims and Christians all worship the dame one. Yeah I really think he wanted his creations all killing each other over a world he/she created for all.

  • Shelley Peck says:

    Arabs and Jews lived side by side for centuries. Yes, they probably had their problems and differences. But they were both “there.”

    I wonder how any of us would feel if the Government came to our home and said, “We are moving a family of homeless people into your house. You will have one bedroom. The new tenants will have a bedroom, bathroom, and kitchen. If you wish to use those facilities, you will have to get permission from the new tenants. They will have control of the driveway, also. So you will have to ask them for permission to drive to work.”

    You say, “But I’ve lived in this house for 40 years!” The Governments says, ‘Too bad. These people need a home they can call their own. Deal with it.”

    By the way, International Law states that one cannot occupy another country won in war.

  • Shlomi says:

    I’ve read most of these I’ve done a lot of research from both, first off history has plenty of times when people fight for land and of course someone wins, that’s it Israel keeps fighting and keeps winning. people can say the us helps Israel yes, but Russia and all the other Muslim countries can easily help Palestine. everyone is talking about history the problem is Muslims believe in a different history than Jews because they go by their own book, a book that was REWRITTEN from the Old Testament, how does it make sense to believe everything from a religious book that came 1,000s of years after the Old Testament?? Wouldn’t you expect the older religion would know more about the history since its been around much longer? also people call Israel terrorist , who are doing suicide bombings? not only in Israel but also in Europe countries? I don’t mean to be racist but most are radical Muslim groups. If Arabs didn’t get along with Jews in Israel than why do they live there? oh yeah they are treated equally with jobs and health when in their own country they wouldn’t have half as many rights. Does it make sense for Palestine to use the money they get from the US only on weapons? what does Israel do with the money given to them? they make schools buildings and a better place.Legit facts are that in other Muslim countries they have Genocide for years, but Israel is looked at negatively? Maybe they took the land but if u look at history many different areas have been occupied by many different countries, so why are we still fighting about Israel? I don’t see British fighting with America like come on get over it war is war one wins and takes over that’s it. Innocent people died in Palestine and innocent people died in Israel difference is Palestine use their own citizens does that make any sense? the problem is the government, clearly there are suicide bombings in Israel every so often. so wtf how is Israel terrorist? did u know before Israel attacks they let the Palestine civilians AND the Hamas know to leave the area, what does Hamas do? they just bomb cities. I’m not here to talk about the history because clearly every religion believes in a different history, you have to go by the facts of what’s happening now. 12-13 year old kids r forced to be strapped in a bomb to kill civilians, stop being so ignorant and naive, go to Israel and u will see Arabs and Jews get along, they hide in shelters together, they work together, if Israel was so damn “against” Palestine they would clearly start a genocide IN Israel just like the other Muslim countries has had AGAINST Palestine

    • Obry says:

      This makes no sense! Do you eve no what you’re talking about? If you’re gonna say something useless then keep your thoughts to yourself! So you’ve only recently decided to look into this huh? Then that gives you no right to speak in such a racist way against Palestinians and Muslims because yo clearly don’t know about what you’re talking about where’s you get your info from? If Palestinians were such terrorists, how do you explain all the dead babies? You people seriously need to get your facts straight! Oh and BTW, how does your explanation of Israel not being terrorist work? Where the hell did you hear that Israelis let people know they’re going to bomb somewhere? And even if they did, Where would they go if every meter away from them, another bomb was being let off? If you wanna say something, make sure it make sense! Oh and don’t you dare go talking shit about Islam and Muslims. You’re the stupid one who thinks that Palestinians are only following what their holy book says. Well get this: First off, it’s a religion. It doesn’t matter how far back it goes. That’s why its a religion You follow it as a guide in life and you BELIEVE in it no matter what. And Secondly, Palestine isn’t fighting for because their religion says to. Their fighting because they want to take back what is rightfully theirs: Palestine. All of it. Seriously. People like you piss me off. Get you stupid facts straight!!!!!

  • Robin says:

    The bible is clear on the ownership of those lands. Israel has suffered much and is now one again. There is plenty of land to go around. It’s merely hatred that fuels this war. This hate must end as it’s a cancer upon the world.

  • Bob says:

    Psalms 2;” Why do the nations rage and the people imagine a vain thing? ” The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob will have the last say. He made a covenant with Abraham; God can’t lie. Israel is back just like He promised and all that has been promised will come to pass. Pray for the Peace of Jerusalem.

  • timothy andersen says:

    Al Jazeera media- LMAO, now this is such a reliable media. This brainwashing broadcast station. The station that broadcasts nothing but BS! Anybody who listens to Al Jazeera and believe it is the truth is naive moron.

  • mike holmes says:

    If Palestine never existed then you would not be using the word Palestine to describe something that never existed.

  • mike holmes says:

    If Israel belongs to the Jews because God gave it to them as some claim, that is a great argument which is impossible to dispute. Unless of course you have a different God then by the same logic you are entirely justified in arguing it is your land given to you by your god. Which is precisely what some of the other inhabitants of Israel or Palesitine, call it what you will, claim, and by which they justify all their deeds. Maybe it wasn’t such a good argument after all.

  • jaymie says:

    International Law says that no country can take territories, because they can never hold de jure rights. Israel seeks to use International Laws only when it benefits them, however when it comes to committing atrocities to acquire lands beyond its borders it makes up new laws that only Israel recognizes, but in the International community is known to be illegal. It does not matter what is said or done, the fact is that Israel is creating this problem and putting everyone in that region in turmoil. Even the people of Israel want peace and respect in the world. How can this happen if it sees itself as beyond law, above everyone? That it is so special that it can kill, murder, terrorize, and oppress innocent children, cultures, people? A problem is that the men who are dictating these atrocities keep getting voted as the leaders of Israel. When are the good, God-loving, moral, majority of the Israel nation going to stand up and protest against their government and elect officials who truly want peace and will work tirelessly to create it??? My heart breaks for the good people of Palestine and Israel, they deserve new leadership ones that any god would be proud of. This conflict for sure is not one that could be written into the biblical history. It is closer to the ones written about in history books like Hitler. Only now, we have the Jew as perpetrator.

  • Nick says:

    I would ask anyone who appears to be overly emotional about this site to stop and think. The moderators are publishing a wide range of comments, and I haven’t seen any of these pointing out an error. There’s an awful lot of hatred directed at Israel generally and on here yet I do not see the same passion directed at the way other countries in the region treat their Jewish and Christian populations. Coming from a mixed faith family, I have witnessed the extreme hatred that many Muslims in the UK have of Jewish people and I can well understand the need of the Israeli state to protect its population from these people in the region. I think it is important to realise the status of Jews and Christians under Islam and the way these groups have been poorly treated in the past and in the present, albeit with a few exceptions. Everybody wants a fair solution, but a weak Israel is not the way. I truly beleive this would only lead to a second holocaust, this time at the hands of Muslims.

  • Gershon Weissman says:

    Thanks for getting the truth out there. It is sad to see so many negative comments from people who don’t have a clue about the goodness of Israel. Ten Million Muslims have been killed by fellow Muslims. One million Muslims were killed by fellow Muslims in the 8 year Iran Iraq war alone. As Golda Meir said years ago “We will have peace when the Arabs love their children more than they hate us.”

  • Rob says:

    “We will have peace when the Arabs love their children more than they hate us.” -Golda Meir

    That is a Palestinian FACT!

  • Unbiased says:

    @Nick
    Where did the Jews run to after the Holocaust and Crusades and who were they protected by? Check your history

  • shirley meyers says:

    I’m Jewish and I’m so ashamed of Israel!!

  • Jon says:

    Hope peace can be achieved somehow in the region. However, there are two definitions about this.
    - Arabs will HAVE TO STOP indoctrinating their kids with HATE because it will devour them.
    - ACCEPT that ISRAEL is there to stay. Period. No power or rhetoric in the world will be able to change this.

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